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 Post subject: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:35 pm 
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I will be hunting turkeys this Spring with a Remington 11-87 Sportsman 20 GA. Will a regular or extended "full" choke do the job or is an extra or super full choke really needed?

Always taught to shoot the turkey in the head, not in the breast like a lot of the hunting shows you see on TV these days. Shots would be 35 yards or less I suppose, at least that's what they are with my 12.

Thoughts?

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:48 pm 
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I hunt turkey with the full choke that came with my Benelli and I have killed Turkey's with IC while walking back to camp after Duck hunting

If you plan to shoot past 50 yards then spend the money on one of those crazy chokes


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Nope....helps you look the part tho.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:25 pm 
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I too say that a full choke should be fine, but why not pattern your gun so you know for sure? Here's a link to some turkey targets (instead of paying for them) http://www.nssf.org/targets/


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:37 am 
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You can kill a turkey just fine with a full choke - you just have to call it in closer. Pattern your gun to find out how much closer.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:44 am 
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It will work fine, pattern first, of course. While it sounds strange, I once patterned a extra full choke on a SKB that completely blew the pattern. It opened up to something like an IC. Compared to the factory full choke tube there was no real pattern, even was hard to find pellet holes on the target. The factory full was fine and several turkeys came to dinner using it. So definitely pattern your choke tubes. You might get a surprise like I did. GJ


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:20 am 
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Dixie Banker wrote:
Always taught to shoot the turkey in the head,


That's what I was told, too. Now, consider this. Given that you are aiming at the head and neck, the vital area that you have is about like a golf ball on a pencil. Even with fairly small pellets, developing a pattern at even 30 yards that will have sufficient density to ensure at least one pellet strike on that golf ball and pencil will require some serious choking. Full will work if your gun and load pattern well. The only way to know is to pattern your equipment.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:02 pm 
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Just a personal opinion but the head is not a good aiming point on a turkey.
Far better is the lower neck or even the base of the neck.
A full choke pattern at any reasonable distance will allow you to place sufficient shot in the neck and head to take the bird and may shade the likelyhood of a turkey moving their head a bit lower.
Many, imo, shoot over a turkey, especially using the current rage of super chokes.
The target, to me, is one more the size of a squirrel than anything smaller.
Pattern relative to shot placement, choose the largest shot that will wreck havoc of the super structure of a turkey's neck and head while giving some density of pattern....watch distance, peeking and movement....and Ol' Longbeard will be yours.

The super full chokes of today, along with the ridiculous use of the 3 1/2" and ten gauge loads of shot for turkey are the result of folks wanting to kill a turkey too badly and too far away.
All enabled by inexperience and marketers wanting, needing, begging to sell....stuff.


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 Post subject: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:28 pm 
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I love my super full choke. .660 IIRC. Using a good ol' Remington 1100 I've taken turkey out to 60 yards. Not the optimum conditions but it worked. I was actually taking a bird closer to me but I got my intended target and an extra Tom! It definitely helps finding the best combo of choke and turkey load. Pattern you're gun and find out what it likes.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:39 pm 
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All it takes is one #6 pellet through the brain to kill a turkey. How you get that job done is up to you. I'd recommend patterning a few chokes/ loads and see what gives you the best chance of getting er done with your gun. Remember, too tight makes it a tough shot at 10 yards if that's what's presented.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:11 pm 
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This will be in my gun this spring. Love the idea of a more open choke.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:41 pm 
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Patterning the gun with the load (s) you plan to use will tell you what choke.
My 10ga sxs, I use cylinder in one barrel, Mod in the second.
The 10ga O/U I use IC in bottom, Mod in the top
Both using hevi-shot #6.
A-5 I am using Mod choke.
Browning Silver I use IC or Mod.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:27 am 
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I use factory full with #6 lead. I have a factory x-full also, but it doesnt pattern very well with heavy payloads.

I also do not aim for the head. I aim for the neck right where the blue turns to red.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:53 pm 
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Dixie Banker wrote:
I will be hunting turkeys this Spring with a Remington 11-87 Sportsman 20 GA. Will a regular or extended "full" choke do the job or is an extra or super full choke really needed?

Always taught to shoot the turkey in the head, not in the breast like a lot of the hunting shows you see on TV these days. Shots would be 35 yards or less I suppose, at least that's what they are with my 12.

Thoughts?


No way of knowing without patterning your gun/choke/ammo combo.

However far you can get 100 pellets in a 10" circle, that should be the max range you try to shoot a turkey.

Get the Federal 1.5 oz Heavyweight shells in #7s and you will like what you see through the full choke. Those give you more knockdown energy than lead #4s and a very nice pattern.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:03 pm 
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LTB45 wrote:
This will be in my gun this spring. Love the idea of a more open choke.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SWoT3h63A[/youtube]


If these pattern like the examples they show on the website, lots of folks are going to be disappointed. With only 1.5 oz in a 12 ga load, the pellet count is going to be very low for a 12 ga turkey load. Shot string length doesn't matter with a stationary target like turkeys.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:05 pm 
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No use Full choke in my 12 & 20 gauges and never have not killed the turkey that I was shooting at.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Pattern your choke and load combo. The farthest distance that you can reliably put 100 pellets in a 10" circle is your maximum effective range.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:40 am 
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I used the full choke that came with my 500 12g for years.Worked like a charm!I aim for the middle of the neck or just a bit higher.Longest shot ever was about 30yds.IMO you don't need X full or those overpriced specialized "Turkey" shells either.2 3/4" 1 1/4oz 4,5 or 6 shot puts them down just as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:35 pm 
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Heck I use 2 1/2 inch 16 gauge #6 shot out of a Browning auto 5 built in 1910. It does have a fixed full choke however.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkey - is a extra full or super full really needed?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Impossible, can't kill turkeys with a 16ga.


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