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 Post subject: T. Barker break action shotgun value and history.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:12 pm 
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I have a T. Barker 16 ga break action single barrel, that i am looking for information and possible value on. I know it was made by Crescent for Sears in the late 1900s, but that is the limit of my knowledge on this shotgun.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:40 pm 
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I've never seen a T Barker single barrel. The doubles were made in Belgium An sold thru Sears Roebuck. I was not aware that T Barker was a name used by Crescent, How did you arrive at this conclusion. Check forproof marks and you can tell if it is infact a Crescent. The gun was likely made in the early 1900s. Value is $35 to $75 depending on condition and originallity. Cheers .. Bushrod


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:53 pm 
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Here's what I have on Barkers and T Barkers

Barker: used by H.D. Folsom on guns they retailed
T.Barker New York : (if a side lock hammerless double with no foreign proofs) made by Crescent
T. Barker - made by Iver Johnson for, Baker, hamilton, & Pacific Co., San Francisco, Co
T. Barker : with Belgian markings were made by Theate Freres, a Belgium gun maker from 1907 to 1950.

Everything I've come across on the single barrels is Iver Johnson manufacture but with all these old trade guns nothing is marked in stone.

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 Post subject: Re: T. Barker break action shotgun value and history.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:59 am 
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Here is some info in Crescent and some of their trade names. Hope this helps.

Prime among the shotguns readers and members inquire about are those made by two long- defunct, companies: Crescent Fire Arms Company once located in Norwalk, Conn., and H.∓D. Folsom in New York City. From 1888 to 1899, Crescent made shotguns on its own. Sometime around 1900, the company merged with N.R. Davis and H.∓D. Folsom, becoming Crescent- Davis. Crescent made shotguns for many, many companies under many names. Once amalgamated with H.∓D. Folsom, the list exploded. [The following is an excerpt from my recently published [i]The Shotgun Encyclopedia[d] (2000, Safari Press) that may help identify an heirloom.] H.∓D Folsom was located at 312-14 Broadway, New York, N.Y., and imported and distributed firearms from about 1890 to 1930. At some point they merged with Crescent-Davis, and were finally sold in 1954 to Universal Tackle and Sporting Goods Co. Far from complete, the following list includes brand and trade names of Crescent-made and Folsom-imported shotguns:
American Gun Co., Bacon Arms, Baker Gun Co., T. Barker (for Sears), Carolina Arms Co., Central Arms Co., Cherokee Arms Co., Chesapeake Gun Co., Compeer, Cruso, Cumberland Arms Co., Elgin Arms Co., Elmira Arms Co., Empire Arms Co., Enders Oak Leaf, Enders Royal Service, Essex, Faultless, The Field, F.F. Forbes, C.W. Franklin, Harrison Arms Co., Hartford Arms Co., Harvard, Henry Gun Co., Hermitage Arms Co., Hermitage Gun Co., Howard Arms Co., Hummer, Interstate Arms Co., Jackson Arms Co., Kingsland Special, Kingsland 10 Star, Knickerbocker, Knox-All, Lakeside, J. H. Lau ∓ Co., Leader Gun Co., Lee Special, Lee's Munner Special, Leige Arms Co., J. Manton ∓ Co., Marshwood, Massachusetts Arms Co., Metropolitan, Minnesota Arms Co., Mississippi Valley Arms Co., Mohawk, Monitor, Wm. Moore and Co., Mt. Vernon Arms Co., National Arms Co., New Rival, New York Arms Co., Nitro Bird, Nitro Hunter, Norwich Arms Co., Not-Nac Manufacturing Co., Oxford Arms Co., C. Parker ∓ Co., Peerless, Perfection, Piedmont, Pioneer Arms Co., Quail, Queen City, Rev-O-Noc, W. Richards (not related to the British gunmaker Westley Richards), Richter, Rickard Arms Co., Royal Service, Rummel, Shue's Special, Sickel's Arms Co., Southern Arms Co., Special Service, Spencer Gun Co. Sportsmen, Springfield Arms Co., Square Deal, Stanley, State Arms, H. J. Sterling, St. Louis Arms Co., Sullivan Arms Co., Ten Star, Ten Star Heavy Duty, Tiger, Triumph, U.S. Arms Co., Victor, Victor Special, Virginia Arms Co., Volunteer, Vulcan Arms Co., Warren Arms Co., Wilkinson Arms Co., Wilmont Arms Co., Wilshire Arms Co., Wiltshire Arms Co., Winfield Arms Co., Winoca Arms Co., Wolverine, and Worthington Arms Co.
Most of these were store-brand shotguns, all of the same style, and no repair parts exist for these guns. Certainly a skilled gunsmith can make parts, but given that none of these guns can be considered valuable, the cost is hardly worth it. This is not to say that Grandpa s Nitro Hunter doesn't have great sentimental value, but in dollars and cents to a collector or even someone manning a table at a gun show, of little value. Certainly, it might be fun to try to collect some of these shotgun, say those from one particular hardware company, but they just don't rank with the big names in value.
There was no T.Barker company. It's a trade name handled by the H.D.Folsom company. They were made by Theate Freres if they are Belgium made hammer double guns. They were made by the Crescent Fire Arms Company if they are hammerless. I also have info that Iver Johnson made some too.

I'm betting that there's a belgian Proofmark under the barrels...

There is little to no collector value on these old hardware guns, and a prime specimen would probably not bring $200.

Here are some trade names that I have heard were made by Iver Johnson:
Blackfield - Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co., Chicago, IL
Black Imp K-S-Co - Keith-Simmons Co., Nashville, TN
Burack - Burhans & Black, Inc., Syracuse, NY
T. Barker - Baker, hamilton, & Pacific Co., San Francisco, CA
Challenger - Geo. Worthington Co., Cleveland, OH
Diamond Arms Co. - Shapleigh Arms Co., St. Louis, MO
Eastern Arms Co. - Sears, Roebuck, & Co., Chicago, IL
Famous - Hirsch Merc. Co., Los Angeles, CA
Falcon - National lead Co., San Francisco, CA
Hermitage K-S-Co. - Keith-Simmons Co., Nashville, TN
Ideal - Charles William Stores, Brooklyn, NY
King Nitro - Shapleigh Arms Co., St. Louis, MO
Marshwood - Charles William Stores, Brooklyn, NY
Marswells - Marshall-Wells Co., Duluth, MN
Monitor - Paxton & Gallagher Co., Omaha, NE
Newport - Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co., Chicago, IL
Olympic Arms Co. - Morley Bros., Saginaw, MI
Ranger - T. Eaton Co., Canada
Revonoc - Richards & Conover, Kansas City, MO
Scout - Frankfurth Hdwe. Co., Milwaukee, WI
Sioux - Larson hdwe. Co., Sioux Falls, SD
Triumph - Montgomery Ward & Co., Chicago, IL
True Blue - Shapleigh Arms Co., St. Louis, MO
Volunteer Arms Co. - Belknap Hdwe. & Mfg. Co., Louisville, KY
Western Field - Montgomery Ward & Co., Chicago, IL
Witte Special - Witte Hdwe. Co., St. Louis, MO
XLCR - W. Bingham Co., Cleveland, OH
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 Post subject: Re: T. Barker break action shotgun value and history.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:58 pm 
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The history of the firms mentioned is essentially completely wrong.
If you e-mail me at vorisek@aol.com, I will send you a short but accurate history of the firms mentioned and their relationships.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:00 pm 
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Hey joev, could you post your info for us?

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 Post subject: Re: T. Barker break action shotgun value and history.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:25 pm 
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I suppose this history on Crescent is wrong too..

In 1888, George W. Cilley bought out the defuct Bacon Arms Co. of Norwich, CT. He then formed an alliance with Frank Foster, and borrowed enough money to form the Crescent Fire Arms Company. Cilley and Foster each held several firearms patents, and both were highly qualified in firearms design and manufacture. Production began with single shot tip-up shotguns that had an external side hammer. Double barrel shotgun production was started in 1891. In 1893, they began making bicycle chains, and that same year, H&D Folsom took over the company´s financial control. Early in the 1890s, Crescent built a rifle that resembled the Remington No. 4. A very rare Crescent was the .410 bore shotgun pistol, which was introduced in the 1920s. In 1929, N.R. Davis Firearms Co., then owned by Warner Arms Corp., merged with Cresent to become Crescent-Davis Arms Co. Because of financial crisis, business continued to decline, and they were forced to sell out. Savage Arms Co. acquired Davis-Cresent in 1931, assembled guns from the remaining parts, and these guns were sold under the Crescent name only. In 1932, the city of Norwich, CT, took over the Crescent property for non-payment of back taxes. After the Norwich facility was closed, manufacture was moved to Chicopee Falls.

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Marland, I have heard that the company that makes the famous "Crescent Wrench" and other hand tools is descended from Crescent Fire Arms Co. Do you have any info on that?

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Nope, don't know of any connection.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/archives/arc ... -11-09.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:17 pm 
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Here is what Joe V sent me via email:

THE CRESCENT FIRE ARMS COMPANY
The Crescent Fire Arms Company was incorporated in Connecticut on March 4, 1892 and dissolved on August 3, 1931.
Crescent began operations February 26, 1892 and for the next 39 years made an incredible quantity of shotguns. The best estimate is that they made more than 2,000,000 shotguns under their own name, under the Baker and Davenport names and under dozens of trade brands such as Bluefield Clipper and Star Leader.
The Crescent Fire Arms Company was created from the remains of the Bacon Arms Company which went bankrupt in 1888. In 1890 Amos E. Cobb, a partner in Bacon, and its Receiver, died. The tools and fixtures were sold to George W. Cilley who completed existing Bacon contracts for single barrel shotguns.
Then on March 4, 1892, The Crescent Fire Arms Company was created by the following Articles of Incorporation.
THE CRESCENT FIRE ARMS COMPANY
Articles of Association of The Crescent Fire Arms Company
The undersigned hereby associate as a joint stock corporation under the Laws of this State by Articles of Agreement as follows:
ARTICLE I. The name by which this corporation shall be known is The Crescent Fire Arms Company
ARTICLE II. The purpose for which it is constituted is to manufacture and sell guns, rifles and pistols and all kinds of fire arms and to purchase and, hold and sell any property necessary or convenient for the prosecution of said business, and generally do all things incidental to said business
ARTICLE III. The corporation is to be located in the Town of Norwich, County of New London, and State of Connecticut.
ARTICLE IV. The amount of its capital stock is $27,900 divided into 1,116 shares of the par value of $25.00 each.
ARTICLE V. Each of the Incorporators agrees to take the number of shares of said capital stock annexed to his name, each share to be of the par value of $25.00 each and to pay 25% thereof in cash at the time of said subscription and the balance thereof as called for by the Directors.
Dated at Norwich this 23rd day of February 1892.
(There follows the list of stockholders.)
To all persons to whom these presents come: The undersigned being a majority of the directors of The Crescent Fire Arms Company, a corporation organized under the Laws of the State of Connecticut regulating the formation of joint stock corporations and located in the Town of Norwich, County of New London in said State of Connecticut in pursuance of said statute laws hereby certify as follows:
1. The foregoing is a true and accurate copy of the Articles of Association of said corporation, of the names and (not legible:author) residence of the subscribers to its capital stock and the amount of stock taken by each.
2. Said Articles of Association were on this 26th day of February 1892 published at full length in the Norwich Morning Bulletin, a newspaper published in New London County, the same being the county in which said corporation is located.
3. The amount of capital stock actually paid for in cash is $5,580, being 20% thereof.
4. The amount of said capital stock paid for in property is $14,000 and consists of stock, tools, machinery and fixtures and is of actual value of $14,000.
(Author's note: This is probably the old BACON ARMS CO. tools etc.)
5. And in further pursuance of such statute laws we cause this certificate to be posted with the Secretary of State and a duplicate thereof with the Town Clerk of the Town of Norwich in which said corporation is to transact its business. Dated at Norwich, Connecticut this 2nd day of March A.D. 1902
H.H. Gallup, E.R. Thompson, George W. Cilley, Frank A. Foster; a majority of the Directors. Rec'd and filed by Willis A. Briscoe, Notary Public, March 4, 1892.

What should not be forgotten is that, except possibly for a few months in 1892, Crescent Fire Arms Co. was never an independent entity; it was absolutely controlled by the H & D Folsom Arms Co. of New York City. H & D Folsom was a major sporting goods wholesaler with several manufacturing subsidiaries making everything from bicycles to leather goods. Folsom had been in business since 1849 and was one of the largest, if not the largest sporting goods wholesaler in the U.S. at the time.
This lack of independence helped keep Crescent from falling prey, for a long time, to all the ups and downs of the general business cycles and from the major upheaval that was World War I.
Folsom could, and did, provide the means necessary to acquire other firms such as the W.H. Davenport Arms Co. in 1909 and the Baker Gun & Forging Co. in 1919 as well as supplying the necessary financing to expand the product line when necessary. Additionally Folsom provided a ready market for the production of the Norwich plant.
One of the ways Folsom kept a steady flow of orders to the Crescent plant was through promoting trade branding with a vengeance. While many firms of the era, both U.S. and European, did some trade branding; no company ever came close to Crescent in sheer numbers of names.
Available evidence suggests that to have a shotgun trade branded, all that was necessary was to pay for the stamping die and order 12 or more guns.
To get some idea of the numbers of trade names that Crescent shotguns were marked with, there is a partial listing at the end of this text. In addition to making large quantities of shotguns, Crescent, with Folsom's assistance, imported large numbers of shotguns from Belgium. Some of these Belgian made shotguns were marked with Crescent's name and, after World War I, a few were marked with the name BAKER GUN CO.; but most were marked with the following names:
Acme Arms Co. C.W. Franklin Stanley
T. Barker Gold Hibbard Stanley Arms Co.
Belgium F.A. Loomis Star
Burdick Meteor H.J. Sterling
Climax William Moore & Co. Ten Star
Club C. Parker & Co. Ten Star Heavy Duty
Crescent Arms Co. Ruso Warren Arms Co.
Elita St. Louis Arms Co. Wilkinson Arms Co.
Wilmont Arms Co.
The Crescent/Folsom agent in Belgium, at least through 1914, was Louis Muller of Liege, Belgium. Muller may have actually been in the employ of Folsom as he registered the Crescent trade marks in Belgium. He may also have been a gun maker as well.
The earliest shotgun made by Crescent was a side hammer single gun that was basically a continuation of the shotguns the Bacon Arms Co. made during the last few years it was in business. This shotgun, as made by Crescent, was made in three types:
First Type: Shotguns assembled from old Bacon parts and not marked with the Crescent name. These shotguns were made until late 1892 or early 1893.
Second Type: Called the MODEL 4 SIDEHAMMER by Crescent.
It was a Bacon shotgun assembled from new Crescent made parts and marked CRESCENT F.A. CO. NORWICH, CONN.This shotgun was made until the end of 1895 or early 1896.
Third Type: Called the MODEL 1896 by Crescent. This gun was a slightly altered version of the MODEL 4. The changes that were made were done to simplify production even further. This version was made until 1901.
As far as is known, all three types were made in 12 gauge only with either 30" or 32" Twist steel barrel. One word of note here, shotguns similar to this one were made by a number of makers. Unmarked specimens are very hard to allocate to the proper maker.
In early 1895 Crescent introduced its first hammerless double, called the TRIUMPH HAMMERLESS. This shotgun was made in 12 gauge with either 30" or 32" Twist steel barrels. The gun was based on patents issued to William Beesley and controlled by Charles Lancaster and was the only boxlock hammerless double ever made by Crescent. Just what these patents were that the gun was advertised as being made under has not been determined. What evidence there is suggests that these shotguns were made on order for Sears, Roebuck and that probably less than 750 were made.
The gun was dropped from the Crescent line in 1898 probably for one or all of the following reasons:
1. It was expensive to make by Crescent standards.
2. H & D Folsom was already selling a number of hammerless boxlock doubles by other makers and thus had no interest in making and selling another medium priced boxlock.
3. It didn't sell well enough for Sears to reorder it. Whatever the reason, the gun was dropped in late 1897 or early 1898 and Crescent would not produce another hammerless double until 1904 when the Model 6 was introduced.
Two new shotguns were introduced in 1897, the MODEL O hammer double and a new single barrel gun, the VICTOR.
The first of these, the MODEL O, had a very long life, being made until 1932. Originally made only in 12 and 16 gauge, the 20 gauge version not appearing until about 1905, it proved to be very popular and was produced in a variety of models. The total production appears to have been over 600,000 before production ceased.
In addition to the full sized models, three small bore hammer doubles were made between 1914 and 1932:
MODEL 28 28 gauge, made 1915 to 1927
MODEL 44 .44 Shot and .410 bore, made 1915 and 1927
MODEL 44 IMPROVED .410 bore, made 1927 to 1932.
It is interesting to note that the MODEL 44 IMPROVED was popular enough that it was made well into the 1930's by Savage-Stevens after the purchase of Crescent.
The other shotgun introduced in 1897, the VICTOR proved even more popular and was made until 1937 38 by the J. Stevens Arms Company .
The Victor Models 7 and 8, made until 1915, can be distinguished from later model Victors by the raised, milled frame sides. Later model Victors have completely flat frame sides, probably to cut production costs. The first ejector model Victor was introduced in 1900.
The next shotgun introduced by Crescent was a semi hammerless single in 1902. This shotgun, made only until 1915, looks very similar to the one made until 1901 by American Arms Co. and might possibly be a version of it. Made in 12 and 16 gauge, this gun does not seem to have achieved the sales of other Crescent shotguns; possibly because of competition from the Remington Arms Co.'s semi hammerless single made during the same period.
In 1904 Crescent resumed the manufacture of hammerless doubles with the introduction of the MODEL 6 sidelock hammerless double. This gun was an immediate success and it was offered in 12, 16 and later, 20 gauge. Add to this the fact that it was a trim looking, fairly lightweight gun that was inexpensive, and you had a formula for success in 1904.
The MODEL 6 was offered initially only with Armory Steel barrels; but Damascus and Twist barrelled models were quickly added to meet the demand for them. It appears that the bulk of the Twist and Damascus barrelled shotguns were sold through Sears, Roebuck catalogs. After the MODEL 6 introduction in 1904, the next major change occurred in the 1909 10 period when Crescent acquired the W.H. Davenport Arms Co., Crescent produced, until 1915, the only 10 gauge shotgun it ever made; the EMPIRE STATE GOOSE GUN. This monster of a single gun had a 36" Laminated steel barrel and was the same shotgun the Davenport had made before 1909.
There is an interesting postscript to this shotgun. It appears that Crescent discontinued the bulk of the Davenport line in 1915 and disposed of the tooling for this shotgun in particular. The buyer seems to have been the Meriden Fire Arms Co., a subsidiary of Sears, Roebuck & Co. With some modifications, it appears tha this gun was made by Meriden until about 1918.
The reason for the EMPIRE STATE GOOSE GUN has always eluded me. By 1910 the very large and heavy 10 gauge singles were pretty much passe. I do feel that it is significant, in terms of what the public was buying, that Crescent never made or designed a 10 gauge on their own.
The years 1910 to 1915 were golden ones for Crescent. It made a wide variety of its three basic models and they all sold well. By 1915 it appears that both Crescent and Folsom were starting to suffer a slow decline. What the exact reasons were are obscure and will probably never be known with certainty; but the following does represent some probable reasons:
• The United States was becoming increasingly urbanized as more people moved to larger cities and towns.
• By 1915 game was becoming harder to find because of poor game management over the previous 50 years.
• Wages were increasing in part due to the War in Europe, thus buyers were willing to pay more for a shotgun that was perceived as being of higher quality, such as an ITHACA or LEFEVER.
• The product line was becoming out moded. In fact Crescent never made a slide action shotgun and slide actions and automatics were fast becoming the shotguns of choice among American shooters.
The last two reasons may have been the most important of all.

The perception of quality, or the lack of it, can be inferred from two things that occurred that appear to be attempts to rectify the public's view of Crescent quality.
The first was the slogan CRESCENT GUNS ARE GOOD GUNS.
This slogan seems to have originated about 1918 and was used on almost all of Crescent's advertising until 1935.
The other was the 1919 purchase of the Baker Gun & Forging Co.'s gun business which had a good reputation for quality and durability. Crescent continued to make Baker shotguns until at least 1924 and possibly for a number of years after that; but changing styles and tastes were against Crescent and most other double gun makers as well.
Those manufacturers that did not switch to slide actions and semi autos for at least part of their line were fast dying out.
Hopkins & Allen Arms Co. was the first to go, murdered by Marlin Rockwell and converted to war production in 1915. The Lefever Arms Co. was gasping its last. Baker Gun & Forging Co. was slowly dying when Crescent bought them in 1919, Baker preferring to make forgings for the automobile industry. Parker Bros. basically died in 1934 and Hunter Arms Co., makers of L.C. Smith guns, died a slow, lingering death between 1936 and 1946. Only part of this was due to rising production costs and, as a result rising retail prices. The real problem was that shooters were not much interested in owning doubles of any kind, they wanted slide actions and autos.
The reasons for Crescent's lack of innovation can probably be traced to two things:
• Stupidity (The slide action, like the automobile, can't last), and
• Parsimony (Folsom was beginning to have its own problems and was not about to supply funds to modernize).
Probably the last shotgun introduced by Crescent was the HANDY GUN, a .410 bore pistol based on the VICTOR single barrel action fitted with a pistol grip and a very short barrel. From the very few specimens seen or reported, it does not seem to have been a resounding commercial success.

The business limped along with its aging product line until late 1930 when H & D Folsom Arms Co. sold Crescent to a Savage Arms Corp. subsidiary originally named Savage Products Distributing Corporation. This same subsidiary purchased Davis-Warner Arms Corp. at about the same time.
Both Crescent and Davis Warner were dissolved and the name of Savage Products Distributing Corporation was changed to Crescent-Davis Arms Corp.
The new firm made guns in the Norwich, CT plant until November 4, 1935 when CRESCENT DAVIS was dissolved and the machinery sent to the J. Stevens Arms Co. plant in Chicopee, MA.
After the move, Stevens continued to manufacture a few models of Crescent Davis shotguns, mostly the single guns, and one or two models of the hammerless double, until 1943.
One additional note is that Crescent was still making a fair number of shotguns as late as 1930 as, according to the Connecticut Industrial Census done in 1930, they had over 100 employees.

The following is an abstract of the Articles of Incorporation of Savage Products Distributing Corporation
Corporation Name: SAVAGE PRODUCTS DISTRIBUTING CORPORATION
Date of Incorporation: April 26, 1926
Incorporated In: New York
Principal Place of Business: Utica, NY
NOTES:
1. Name changed December 11, 1930 to Crescent-Davis Arms Corporation. Name change certificate stated that Savage Arms Corporation owned all the stock of Savage Products Distributing Corporation.
2. Certificate of Dissolution filed November 4, 1935 by Savage Arms Corporation dissolving Crescent Davis Arms Corporation.

From the above it can be seen that Crescent finished out its days as a New York corporation and finally lost any remnant of its identity on November 4, 1935; 43 years after its inception in Norwich, CT.
In many ways Crescent was both the child and the victim of its times. It built a reputation on inexpensive single and double barrelled shotguns, and when the market changed it was unable to change. This was, to some extent, too bad because the doubles they made were of reasonable quality and durability; many are still in use more than 60 years later. They also lent themselves to mass production. This fact alone would make a Crescent hammerless double stand out, since it was probably the only sidelock hammerless double ever made that required little or no hand fitting.
What methods Crescent used to proof shotguns has not been discovered.
What is known is that Crescent Davis, after it was acquired by Savage Stevens, used the Stevens proof testing methodology and proofmarks.
The true quantity of Crescent shotguns made may never be know with certainty as the factory records seem to have disappeared.
One means frequently employed to attempt to date a Crescent hammerless double is the type of springs used to drive the internal hammers. The different types used are as follows:
 1904 to 1910 Vee Shaped or U shaped springs.
 c. 1910 to c. 1927 Coil springs:
 c. 1927 and on U shaped springs.
However the problem with this is that if the gun was returned to Norwich for repairs, parts were substituted higgledy piggeldy depending upon availability. Often new parts were substituted for old, or old for new; whatever worked was used. Sidelocks were replaced without regard to the trade brand on the originals; and sometimes guns were
rebuilt using parts that the gun did not come with originally. Guns were repaired by the cheapest and quickest methods possible even if that meant replacing undamaged parts.
I stated earlier that the total quantity of Crescent made shotguns may never be known; however I have been able to make the following estimates based on observation of existing specimens.
Total production by major model appears to be approximately the following:
 Sidehammer Model singles less than 20,000
 All other single barrel guns 900,000 +
 TRIUMPH Model hammerless doubles less than 750
 Sidelock Hammerless (except New Empire and Quail Model) 500,000
 New Empire and Quail Model Hammerless doubles 120,000
 Hammer Doubles (except Model 44) 650,000
 Model 44 Hammer doubles 40,000
This adds up to an astonishing 2.2 Million + shotguns over 43 years, not counting Rolling Block singles, Davenport marked guns and Baker marked guns.
To assist the reader in determining when a Crescent shotgun might have been made, a tentative list of serial number ranges is set forth on the following pages.
The following is a short description of Crescent made shotguns by the Model number assigned by Crescent.
Hammer Doubles
Model Description
O 12, 16 or 20 gauge, made 1897 to c.1929
1 Same as Model O, made for Sears 1904 to 1908. Marked AMERICAN GUN CO. N.Y.
2 Same as Model O except Twist barrels. Made 1901 to 1915
3 Same as Model O except Damascus barrels. Made 1901 to 1915
4 Same as Model 1 except Liege Damascus barrels. Made 1904 to 1908
5 Same as Model 1 except Damascus barrels. Made 1904 to 1908
44 . 410 bore, .44 Shot or 28 gauge. 28 gauge made 1914 to 1927, 410 and .44 Shot made 1915 to 1927.
44 IMPROVED 410 bore. Made 1927 to 1932.

Single Barrel Guns
Model Description
1* Bacon sidehammer made by Bacon Arms Co. 1887 88
2* Bacon sidehammer assembled by Crescent from Bacon parts 1889 to 1893.
3 Not known
4 Bacon sidehammer. Made entirely by Crescent 1893 to 1895
5* Model 1896 sidehammer. made 1896 to 1898
6 Not known
7 Raised Frame Victor. 12, 16 or 20 gauge and .410 bore. Made 1897 to 1915
8* Same as Model 7 except auto ejector. Made 1902 to 1915
9 Not known
10 Flat Frame Victor same as Model 7. Made 1901 to 1932
11 Same as Model 10 except auto ejector. Made 1902 to 1928
12* Empire State Goose Gun (Davenport Model) 10 gauge. Made 1910 to 1915
13* New Field. Cheaper version of Model 11. Made 1910 to 1920
14* Ejector No. 2. Cheaper version of Model 11. Made 1910 to 1920
15 Cheaper version of Model 10/11. Made 1928 to 1932
15* Handy Gun .410 bore pistol. Made 1928 to 1932
*Not a definitive model number used in advertising, but believed to have been used internally to designate such shotguns.
Hammerless Doubles
Model Description
1 |
2 | Not known. Probably versions of TRIUMPH MODEL.
3 |
4 |
5 __|
6 12, 16 or 20 gauge sidelock. Made 1904 to 1932.
7 Same as Model 6 except 12 or 16 gauge only, Twist barrels. Made 1904 to 1915
8 Same as Model 7 except Damascus barrels. Made 1904 to 1915
60 12, 16 and 20 gauge and .410 bore. Sidelock made 1923 to1932
66 410 bore sidelock. Made 1920 to 1932

PARTIAL LIST OF THE MORE COMMON TRADE BRANDS FOUND ON CRESCENT FIRE ARMS CO. SHOTGUNS
These names have been observed on shotguns determined to be of Crescent manufacture or, where noted, imported by H & D Folsom Arms Co. (note: this listing is several years out of date)
Acme Creve Cour
Acme Arms Co. Cruso
American Bar Lock Wonder Cumberland Arms Co.
American Gun Co. Daniel Boone
American Gun Company Daniel Boone Gun Co.
American Gun Co. of New York Delphian
American Gun Company of New York Delphian Arms Co.
American Gun Co. of N.Y. Delphian Manufacturing Co.
American Nitro Diana
Arctic Dunlap Special
Armory Gun Co. E.C. Mac
Armory Steel Choke Bored Electric City
Baker Gun Co. Elgin Arms Co.
Baker Gun Co. (Folsom import) Elgin Double 7
T. Barker of N.Y. Elita (Folsom import)
Belgium (Folsom import) Elmira Arms Co.
Bellmore Gun Co. Empire Arms Co.
Berkshire No. 3000 Empire State Arms Co.
Black Beauty Empire No. 60
Bluefield Clipper Enders Oakleaf
Bluegrass Arms Co. Enders Special Service
Blue Grass Arms Co. Enders Royal Service
Bluegrass Essex
Blue Grass Eureka Arms Co.
Blue Whistler Excel
Bridge Gun Co. Farwell Arms Co.
Bright Arms Co. Faultless
Buckeye Faultless Goose Gun
Burack Special The Field
Burdick Fletcher Arms Co.
Burdick (Folsom import) Folsom Arms Co.
Canadian Belle H & D Folsom Arms Co. New York
Carolina Arms Co. F.F. Forbes
Caroline Arms Co. C.W. Franklin (Folsom import)
Central Arms Co. Fremont Arms Co. (Folsom import)
Chatham Arms Co. Fries & Co.
Cherokee Arms Co. G preceded by a gauge number
Chesapeake Arms Co. Genuine Armory Steel Choke Bored
Chesapeake Gun Co. Genuine Damascus Steel Choke Bored
Chicago Long Range Wonder Genuine Laminated Steel Choke Bored
Chicopee Arms Co. Gold Medal Wonder
Climax H.B.C.
Climax (Folsom import) H.S.B. & Co.
Colonial Hanover Arms Co.
Columbian New York Arms Co. S.H. Harrington
Compeer Frank Harrison Arms Co.
Connecticut Arms Co. Hartford Arms Co.
Crescent Arms Co. (Folsom import) Harvard
Crescent Fire Arms Co.

J.C. Henry Arms Co. New York Nitro Hammerless
Hermitage Nitro Bird
Hermitage Arms Co. Nitro King
Hermitage Gun Co. Nitro Special
Hip Spe Bar Not Nac Mfg. Co.
Hibbard No. 60 Empire
Hammerless Howard Arms Co. Oshkosh Trap Gun No. 2
Hudson Osprey
Hunter Oxford
Interstate Arms Co. P & G
Jackson Arms Co. Pagoma
The Joseph Arms Co. Palmetto Arms Co., Philadelphia,P.A.
K K C. Parker & Co. (Folsom import)
Kingsland Special Peerless
Kingsland 10 Star Pelican
Kirk Gun Co. Perfection
Keen Kutter Piedmont
Knickerbocker Pioneer Arms Co.
Knockabout Pittsfield
Knoxall J. Pool Gun Co.
LaClede Gun Co. Quail
Lakeside Quail Hammerless
Leader Gun Co. Queen City
C.F. Leader Red Chieftain
Lee Special Rev O Noc
Lee's Munner Special Rich Con
Long Range Marvel Rival
Long Range Winner Rival (Folsom import)
Long Range Wonder Charles Richter
F.A. Loomis Rickard Arms Co. F.A.
Loomis IXL No. 9 (Folsom import) Rocket Special
Marshwood Rodgers Arms Co. Norwich, Conn.
Massachusetts Arms Co. Royal Service
Mears Rummel
Metropolitan Ruso
Minnesota Arms Co., St. Louis, M.O. Russell Arms Co.
Mississippi Arms Co. Russell Arms Co. (Folsom import)
Mississippi Valley Arms Co. S.H. & Co.
Mohawk S.R. & Co.
Monitor St. Louis Arms Co.
Montgomery Arms Co. St. Louis Arms Co. (Folsom import)
William Moore & Co. (Folsom import) Schmelzer Arms Co.
R. Murdock National Arms Company Shue's Special
National Arms Co. Smithonian
New Britain Arms Co.'s Monarch John Smythe & Co., Chicago, Ill.
New Empire John M. Smythe Merchandise Co.
New England Southern Arms Co.
Newport Model CN Special Service
Newport Model WN Spencer & Co.
New Rival Spencer Gun Co.
New White Powder Wonder Sportsman
New York Arms Co. Springfield Arms Co.
New York Machine Made Square Deal
Standard (Folsom import) Victor Arms Co.
Stanley (Folsom import) Victor Plain American Gun Co.
Star (Folsom import) Victor Special
Star Leader Virginia Arms Co.
State Arms Co. Virginia Arms Co. Leader
H.J. Sterling (Folsom import) Volunteer
Sterling Vulcan Arms Co.
Sullivan Arms Co. Warren Arms Co.
Superior Washington Arms Co.
Syco Wauregan
William Tell Wautauga
Ten Star J.J. Weston
Ten Star (Folsom import) White Mountain
Ten Star Heavy Duty White Powder Wonder
Ten Star Heavy Duty (Folsom import) Wildwood
Tiger Wilkinson Arms Co.
Townley's American Boy Wilmont Arms Co. (Folsom import)
Townley's Pal Wilshire Arms Co.
Trap's Best Wiltshire Arms Co.
Triumph Special Winfield Arms Co.
Tru Test Winco Arms Co.
U.S. Arms Co. Winoca Arms Co.
U.S. Field Witte Hardware Co.
Utica Firearms Co. Witte's IXL
Utica Special Witte Special
Victor Wolverine Arms Co.
Victor No. 10 Worthington Arms Co.
Victor No. 11 Wyco

1. It should be noted that the trade names listed above does not include any names used only by Crescent Davis Arms Corp.
2. There must be many Crescent made shotguns with Spanish names as Folsom had 20 to 25 salesmen in South America from 1890 to 1920 and probably long after that.
3. As more of these guns come to light, it is entirely possible that names now believed to have been used only on Crescent made shotguns will also be found on more Folsom imported, Belgian made shotguns.


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Source?? Not disputing it , looks pretty good. Last I heard Crescents records weren't found, of course , that also depends on who is talking.

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So far, in 30+ years of searching, the Crescent records have not turned up.
What I can say is
1. The records were not obtained by Outdoor Sports when they acquired a major part of the H&D Folsom Arms Co. in 1954.
2. The records were not sent to the ATF.
3. Savage/Stevens did not obtain them.
I am currently tracking down another lead- that of H&D Folsom itself which was still a distributor of firearms to wholesalers until 1963. But I am not particularly hopeful.
Am convinced, however, that those records are out there somewhere.
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A while backI had a short correspondence with the grandson of last of the Folsoms to control the co. he didn't have much info at that time, if you haven't already located him I might be able to find the addy.

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