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 Post subject: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:41 am 
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Do they make the gun worse, better? Improve, or decrease accuracy? What are your guys opinions on pistol grips performance and comfort levels on shotguns.




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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:20 am 
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They seem extremely stupid to me, designed for show-offs rather than serious users.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:29 am 
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They have a place on HD guns and that's about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:41 am 
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A pistol grip with or without a shoulder stock?


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:54 am 
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The open pistol grip or Prince of Wales stock shape works much better for me than the straight English stock. The fact that I'm up in my 70's and have lost some of my flexibility, plus the fact that most of my shooting in the last 60 years has been rifles may contribute to that preference. Stock shape on SXS shotguns seems to generate a lot more emotion, especially from the straight stock, double trigger crowd, than other types of shotguns. I'm a pragmatist who has shot enough clay targets and game birds to know that POW and single triggers on my SXS's works best for me. The target style pistol grip on my Citori and BT-99 are fine for skeet and trap with a pr-mounted gun, but feel a little clumsy on a quick mount to a flushing bird.

If you prefer the pistol grip stock, you're in good company. Jack O'connor and Col Charles Askins both shot sxs's of the pistol grip configuration. I think they were serious users, and I'd like to think that I am too, despite opinions to the contrary.

My advice would be to shoot guns of both configuration and evaluate which works best for you. If you like the English straight stock, double trigger guns better, you'll have a nicer selection of light game guns to choose from. If the pistol grip/POW, and single trigger suit you better, here's a list of SXS's that work for me. Browning BSS, S&W Elite Gold,CZ Ringneck, Ithaca SKB-100 and 200, AYA Matador and model 100, various Zabala built SXS's with POW, SST and semi-beavertail forend such as the BSA Classic. The Ringneck is the only one in current production, but I have had guns built similar to the Ringneck by DeHaan Shotguns (Huglu Custom Shop) and recently went through Lion Country Supply to get a Ugartechea model 257 sidelock built with POW and single trigger. It's all about what works for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:24 am 
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Riflemeister, I think the OP was referring to pistol grips such as those on hd shotguns and done Turkey/deer setups, I've never tried these and aren't really interested to start.

As for the old style prince of Wales pistol grips, I am a fan.


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:27 am 
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You guys talking about thumbhole stocks or pistol grip?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:13 am 
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You've got to try the different ones to see how YOU like 'em!

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:15 am 
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i think actual pistol grips are stupid on any long gun. Can you imagine an M1 Garand with a pistol grip! LOLOL...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:38 am 
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new Kel-Tec multi role, multi barrel skeet gun on the way... :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:48 am 
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Slugo wrote:
i think actual pistol grips are stupid on any long gun. Can you imagine an M1 Garand with a pistol grip! LOLOL...

Actually, yes. Check out an M14E2. It was a issue service rifle.

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:07 pm 
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it was a developmental gun. Here's the only WW2/Korean issue rifle with a so-called pistol grip. The M1A1 carbine used by our paratroopers...

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Pistol grip with a stock can be a benefit depending on personal preference. I like having one with an m4 stock for HD and general use. It gives me the option for shooting from the hip or the shoulder when close quarters require it, and I just prefer the way the gun balances.

Can't imagine a use for pistol grip and no stock.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:44 pm 
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VinnieD wrote:
Can't imagine a use for pistol grip and no stock.


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:51 am 
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I just can't get past the cosmetics of the issue. To me they look like crap. Every time I see a Remington 870 Wingmaster that has been turned into a Zombie gun my stomach turns just a little. JMHO

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:34 pm 
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Do you mean pistol grip only, aka PGO, or do you mean a pistol grip with a buttstock, like an AR-15?

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:42 pm 
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since his screen name is 12 gauge 00, I'm guessing also that he meant pistol grip only.

In my opinion, one of the most useless things you can do to a shotgun period. Collapsible stocks would be a close second.


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:07 pm 
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I have shot a birdshead PGO, and it was quite usable. The only issue is that it really has to be shot from the hip. That was easier to do accurately than it sounds, but only at closer ranges.

I could imagine some real but very limited applications for one, like a tent gun in big predator country.

The birdshead makes recoil manageable. A regular pistol grip, not so much.

Consider that a buckshot load probably has at least twice the recoil in a PGO shotgun, as a .475 Linebaugh revolver. Many handgunners consider the Linebaugh to be essentially unshootable, though some do manage. You won't get any argument that it's about the most anyone can manage, and shoot well enough to make it worth doing.

Here's some funny video, BTW. Guys testing out a new .600 Nitro Express pistol. Seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_Q8C_67jY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZL797pOAZ0

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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:46 pm 
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I was talking about a pistol grip shotgun with a stock, (like a benelli supernova tactical) So far thanks for all the replies.


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 Post subject: Re: Opinions on Pistol Grip Shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:08 pm 
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I had never seen the gun so I looked it up on the Benelli site.
If your objective is to control the gun or rifle then a pistol grip is a tool to help you do that. Positioned properly even having one on the forearm is not a bad idea for a tactical gun or perhaps one used in the 3 gun competitions. Looks is a consideration for some but control and suitability for the application is probably much more important. Take a look at the 1100 competition synthetic with the Dick West stock. For me it is ideal, establishing your grip on the gun is similar to reaching out and shaking someones hand, no binding, no flexing, just close the hand. My experience on the trap range is very limited so I have had no experience with the more conventional approach stock design. Decide your objective for the shooting, and then build the tool to do that shooting...... Larry




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