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 Post subject: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:18 pm 
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What are some good video cameras that I can mount to record my trap shooting?

I'm currently looking at the Go Pro HERO3 black edition I saw at Target and Best Buy, but I don't know if it can see the clays.

The official website had that camera under hunting and military, so I assumed it might work for shooting sports too.

http://gopro.com/activity-shop

http://gopro.com/cameras/hd-hero3-black-edition




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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:55 pm 
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I like my Shotkam. It's awesome. I don't know about trap, but I've shot 3 or 4 rounds of sporting clays with it. It has a high definition and you can slow the video down or go frame by frame (using VLC media player) and see the shot cloud and thus where you are missing. I don't know anything about the GoPro's other than what I've saw on TV. They look cool, but I'm curious at how they would stand up to the recoil. The other neat thing about the Shotkam is that it turns itself on and off, so it cuts on long enough to record the shot, it is activated by closing the action or the bolt or whatever. The gopro might be aggravating if you had to stop and start the recording. You can also set up different sights and set your point of aim in the setup software so the sight in the video is what your sight picture is.

I must say, the price is hard to swallow with the Shotkam, but it is cool. IF it weren't for getting a good Christmas bonus, I wouldn't have one. I've wondered if you could maybe let others use it a round or two and possibly charge them for using it. Maybe take your laptop to the field with you and burn their round to a DVD for them for a fee $20.00. The novelty in and of itself might be attractive to some. Might be a good way to pay for your camera.
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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Shotkam looks nice, but I definitely don't have the starting money to buy it.

What are the specs of the shotkam that allow it to see the clay? Maybe I can find a camera with those specs too so that I can pay less.


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:33 pm 
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From the website, this is what they list the specs as.

Action HD 1280 x 720P @ 60 frames per second. MPEG compression is used to allow retention of maximum detail and each MPEG frame can be viewed as a stand-alone picture. Conversion and compression to any other video format is supported by all standard video systems.

I wished I knew more about the Gopro's they look cool as well. It may be that their performance is just the same.
Good luck


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:42 pm 
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From the gopro specs for the black edition:

http://gopro.com/cameras/hd-hero3-black-edition#specs

From 1280x720, it says 120, 60 fps from NTSC fps and 100, 50 fps from PAL fps.

I don't understand camera specs very well, so I'll need a translation.


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:02 pm 
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I'm not much up on the technical stuff either. From the looks though, looks like they have the same resolution and frames per second.

There seem to be several videos on Youtube using them. May work just fine.

It's one thing to be TOLD you're missing behind, you're under it, etc. It's something all together different seeing it on video. I can see my starts and stops, (Obvious barrel/sight checking) I can see I don't follow through and sometimes stop my swing. Very interesting to watch it played back.
They make some glasses too that might be interesting.

Have fun.
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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:09 pm 
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Yeah, I've seen the Youtube videos, but they don't show the clays very well.

I think I know the problem. Shotkam has 4x magnification to magnify the target. I don't know if Go Pro has this capability.


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:59 pm 
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Crixez wrote:
What are some good video cameras that I can mount to record my trap shooting?

I'm currently looking at the Go Pro HERO3 black edition I saw at Target and Best Buy, but I don't know if it can see the clays.

The official website had that camera under hunting and military, so I assumed it might work for shooting sports too.


Most POV cameras, including the overpriced Shotkam, generally stink. You can get far better results with a compact digital camera that has HD video. Far better results.



This is taking a couple of wild pheasants. Far more walking around (and more wind as well) than for trap shooting. This was with a Panasonic ZS-15; no zoom was used.

However, this camera, like many others, has a 16x optical zoom. So, for busting clays you can fill up the frame as tightly as you want with very little experimentation. A huge limitation with POV cameras is non-existent or weak optical zoom.

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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:33 pm 
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Thanks, Randy!

And just how were you able to mount the camera on your head? What kind of head strap should I use for trap?


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:40 pm 
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No strap needed-- std. tripod mount on the brim of your hat.

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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:10 am 
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Tripod mount? You mean you took it off a tripod and put it on your hat? Did you glue it there or something?


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:34 am 
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The tripod mount is on the bill, you just screw the camera on.

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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:42 am 
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But how did you fit the mount on the bill of the hat? Or at least get it to stay on?


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:55 am 
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Drill a 1/4 inch hole.

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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:10 am 
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Ok, thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:16 pm 
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Great for capturing bird hunting, but a very poor substitute to having a coach who can see where you are shooting and give you the opportunity to immediately correct.

Most people would be better off watching THEMSELVES on video than where the shotstring is going.


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:41 pm 
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Coach Super-X wrote:
but a very poor substitute to having a coach who can see where you are shooting


Who claimed that it was a good substitute?

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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:32 pm 
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No one, hopefully. Just wanted everyone to be clear on how I felt about it. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: POV Cameras for trap?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:19 pm 
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ShotKam: I've been using one for about a month now. Amazing quality video. Easy to set up and use. Expensive. But hey, there is nothing cheap about shooting any clay sports. I'll be using it today. Worth the money to me. See my review on trapshooters.com




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