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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:53 pm 
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I was looking at some 20ga loads in an older manual and saw a few I was interested in using HS-7 powder. I know it is no longer made but was wondering if there is a replacement or one that could be substituted for it (like clay dot is for clays)? Thanks for the input!


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:04 pm 
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11-87 Shooter wrote:
I was looking at some 20ga loads in an older manual and saw a few I was interested in using HS-7 powder. I know it is no longer made but was wondering if there is a replacement or one that could be substituted for it (like clay dot is for clays)? Thanks for the input!


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I suggest that you look for loads with Alliant Pro-Reach.
Hodgdon's Longshot is similar but more expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:34 pm 
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I know where there is a case of 1 pounders still in stock of HS-7 which I am told is the same a WW571. I don't know why it wouldn't be fine but it would be old stock, the problem would be getting it to you.


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Thanks mtgrs737! I am in WI so that could be a problem. I'd only need a pound or two. I was hoping there may have been a powder to substitute the HS-7 with. I have some 11/8oz 23/4" 20ga hunting loads I wanted to make for my A5. Wish I could find some good data for the above combo with modern components.


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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You can find some 1 1/8 20 gauge loads in Lymans #4. Send me your email address in a PM and I will scan some pages and send them to you.

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Might as well just go with Alliant powder now instead of going through the headache with hodgon and winchester.....you will get a powder you like and then it will be discontinued and hard to find anywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Curly: Thanks so much! I will send you a PM with my email!

DuckManEvs: It makes no difference to me which powder I use. Do you know of any 11/8oz 20ga loads that use Alliant powders? I have not found any on their website or in their printed brochure/manual. I'd very open to using Alliant; they make great powders!


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Curly: Thanks so much! I will send you a PM with my email!

DuckManEvs: It makes no difference to me which powder I use. Do you know of any 11/8oz 20ga loads that use Alliant powders? I have not found any on their website or in their printed brochure/manual. I'd very open to using Alliant; they make great powders!



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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Rich who has the HS-7 in stock and how much is it?

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Rich who has the HS-7 in stock and how much is it?



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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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I'm sure there is Alliant powder you can use for any load you need

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Ah, HS-7. It was my favorite powder for 20-gauge dove loads back in the day. Still have a flat or so, otherwise I'd be scrounging for the equivalent. My recipe was from Don Zutz via Shotgun Sports magazine:

Winchester 20-gauge CF hulls
Winchester 209 primer
24 grains HS-7
Winchester WAA20F1 wad
1 oz shot (I mostly used No. 9)

Velocity 1250fps.
Pressure 10500 lup.

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Too bad Hodgdons did not list or create a substitute for this. I check the Alliant site again today and no 11/8oz listings. Thank you again, Curly for the email with some data!


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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HS-7 and W-W 571 are in fact the same powder and for some reason you seem to find it (571) fairly often at gun shows or on online reloading classified sites. I think people have it left over from the days of lead duck loads . It makes a great 1 1/2 ounce or 1 3/8 ounce 12 gauge lead loads and I also use for heavy 20 gauge loads. I have 3 1 lb cans on my powder shelf that I picked up for 10 to 15.00 a can at various sites. This is in Canada where the days of lead duck loads are not so far behind us,but I would bet there is still lots of it wasting away on some back shelves in the U.S. too.


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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I noticed my local shop has a couple pounds on the shelf, they had a half inch of dust on top and the price tag said $15.75.

Looking at the burn rate charts it falls pretty close to Blue Dot.

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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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I will have to do some checking with local shops. Perhaps someone in my area has some stashed somewhere. I only want it for hunting loads so a pound will last me a long time!


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 Post subject: Re: HS-7
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Years ago I made up a bunch of 1 1/2 oz. pheasant loads using WW571 (HS-7) it was a little slow at 1150 fps but if you lead them correctly those big number 5's knocked the snot out of them!


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