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 Post subject: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:36 am 
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I happened to see a Browning Broadway Trap Gun today, that was up for sale, with what I think is an unusual choke combination for a trap gun and was wondering if anyone else has seen one like this, it was marked;

Top Barrel; ** designates modified choke (M).

Bottom Barrel; **- designates improved cylinder choke (IC).

I remember these guns from when they came out "back in THE day", there was no mistaking it as a Browning Broadway Trap Gun.

This one has 30" barrels and has the very distinctive "Broadway" rib, it doesn't appear to have been altered and the choke markings look to be original.

I find it odd that an older, fixed choke trap model was choked so loosely.

The only theory I can come up with is that possibly it was a special order for someone's idea of a trap doubles gun :?:

I have no interest in buying this gun, it is just curiousity.




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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:47 am 
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A killer doubles gun, all I can think of as well. Though, a doubles shooter would think I/C might be a little tight since they break them at 19-22 yards.

I've seen some good deals on Broadways lately, if you don't mind, what did they want for this one? I've seen them from $960 to $1100, that's alot of gun for the money.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:03 pm 
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TexasTon wrote:
if you don't mind, what did they want for this one? I've seen them from $960 to $1100, that's alot of gun for the money.

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$1,000.00 Canadian, about $23.50 U.S. :wink: :lol: (just kidding)

Gun was finish worn but tight; hinge pin, locking surfaces etc. looked good, lever was well to the right.

My thought were, someone could;

- have good quality, thin walled choke tubes installed.
- fit a different recoil pad.
- have it professionally finished.

...and it might make a good sporting clays gun :?:

Just a thought, that "someone" would not be me though.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:57 pm 
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Breaking the first shot at doubles at 19 yards as stated would make it necessary to shoot it when it is 9 FEET in front of the trap house. Good luck with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:56 pm 
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Gregg535 wrote:
Breaking the first shot at doubles at 19 yards as stated would make it necessary to shoot it when it is 9 FEET in front of the trap house. Good luck with that.

Gregg535


If you haven't seen a doubles shooter break the first target that fast out of the house, and not move the gun, you haven't watched many doubles. And the second target broke 15+ feet before it peaks.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:37 pm 
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Why don't you do some research about just how high a trap target is, in relation to the roof of the trap house, at 9 FEET from the house, and post that information here? If you will give a demonstration on breaking them at 9 feet, I would be willing to travel quite a distance to witness your shooting and will be happy to buy you a cigar after seeing you do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:48 pm 
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The most probable explanation is that someone swapped-out the barrels .

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:36 am 
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It is a trap doubles gun. Before you buy it take the stock off and check for "salt wood". Many of these guns were produced that had stocks that were cured in a salt solution---causes RUST!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:25 pm 
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GordonWood421 wrote:
The most probable explanation is that someone swapped-out the barrels .

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I could see this if they were field/hunting barrels, though re-fitting a barrel set to a Superposed action is not as easy as swaping A5 barrels.

However, not with 30" trap barrels with the Broadway trap rib on them.

It remains that they are distinctively trap configuration barrels with open chokes.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:52 pm 
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I'm still stuck back on the first post. If memory serves me right
then 2 stars (**) is improved modified. I'm not sure what the
(**-) means but a logical guess is that it is slightly less choke than
improved modified but still more than modified which is 3 stars (***)
Improved cylinder is 4 stars (****) . Someone correct
me if I'm wrong, bit here are the markings as I recall.

* = full
** = improved modifiec
*** = modified
**** = improved cylinder
0 = cylinder


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:13 pm 
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JoeCool wrote:
I'm still stuck back on the first post. If memory serves me right
then 2 stars (**) is improved modified. I'm not sure what the
(**-) means but a logical guess is that it is slightly less choke than
improved modified but still more than modified which is 3 stars (***)
Improved cylinder is 4 stars (****) . Someone correct
me if I'm wrong, bit here are the markings as I recall.

* = full
** = improved modifiec
*** = modified
**** = improved cylinder
0 = cylinder


See the link;

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=15122


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:23 pm 
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It may well have been a special order gun! Browning used to do that!

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:32 pm 
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Not really up t speed on Browning chokes,but always thought that
* was full
*- was Improved Mod
** was Modified
**- was improved Cylinder
*** was cylinder

Am I wrong again?

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:35 pm 
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driller wrote:
Not really up t speed on Browning chokes,but always thought that
* was full
*- was Improved Mod
** was Modified
**- was improved Cylinder
*** was cylinder

Am I wrong again?


Driller, see the link;

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=15122


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:23 am 
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Closer than I thought. never saw one with the skeet choke stamping on it. But, I dont shoot skeet either.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:43 pm 
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Epilogue.

I got an answer to my question......

Claydust wrote:
The only theory I can come up with is that possibly it was a special order for someone's idea of a trap doubles gun :?:


The gun belonged to an older shooter that recently passed away and I met an aquaintance of his who knew the story.

The gun was ordered with these more open chokes as a "doubles gun".

At least back when it was ordered, apparently Browning would make up a special order like this as long as you were prepared to wait and pay, even if the choke combinations were somewhat "unusual".


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:28 pm 
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Toll'ya so! :D

Times were indeed different then!

Knew an ol'boy who was the largest Browning dealer in the US back in the early to mid '60s. Right out of the basement of his house! Well, it wasn't the normal kind of basement, nor was his attic. Unbelievable what he had stashed in that house! Helped him dig one or two out for someone a time or two. He was 80 something and I was probably 16 or 17 at the time. He did lots of Special Orders for folks from all over the country! If it was unusual and it had to be a Browning, he either had it or would get it for you. Kept track of all of them in his Seed Corn note pad in his plad flanel shirt pocket! I think there is a special place in Heaven for him! Always made sure a kid got a gun, somehow! I'm sure he sold lots of guns under what he had in them, new and used! (He didn't do it for the money!) :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:32 pm 
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535,

In defense of Texan Ton, I would like to invite you to Yucca Valley, CA more specifically the High Desert Rod and Gun Club to watch a couple of people shoot doubles on Wednesday or Sunday, I am sure you will be quite pleased with there ability to shoot the first or doubles that close to the House.. I believe they call it SPOT shooting and they do it quite well.....

If you need directions, feel free to drop me a line

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Broadway Trap Gun Choke Question????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:37 pm 
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In defense of Texan Ton, I would like to invite you to Yucca Valley, CA more specifically the High Desert Rod and Gun Club to watch a couple of people shoot doubles on Wednesday or Sunday, I am sure you will be quite pleased with there ability to shoot the first or doubles that close to the House.. I believe they call it SPOT shooting and they do it quite well.....

If you need directions, feel free to drop me a line



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