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 Post subject: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:55 pm 
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Is there still a problem with Briley and their tube sets for the 725? I'm looking to get a 28 gauge set.

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:10 pm 
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The problem isn't with Briley or their tube sets, the problem is with Browning and their gun. Someone got a little fast and loose with the phrase "mechanical triggers".

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:20 pm 
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Yea, gotta agree with Ian. Briley and Kolar make a good product. It ain't the tubes.


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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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Flip side, why should Browning give a flying ***k about Briley or Kolar tubes...

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:58 pm 
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Slugo wrote:
Flip side, why should Browning give a flying ***k about Briley or Kolar tubes...

Because, Mike, a lot of people tube guns and it saves a bit of money at Briley or Kolar if the triggers don't have to have any work done on them. So, if Browning wants to give folks one more reason to buy their product, if they advertise their triggers as "mechanical" they darn well ought to be.


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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:45 pm 
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They are mechanical. Pull the trigger twice while unloaded. Not inertia. Not trying to be a smartass, just telling it like it is...

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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Tell that to the guys that bought Briley tube sets based on that premise and are now having big issues with the triggers functioning properly with the small gauges. And when questions, Browning admits they aren't COMPLETELY mechanical. If they were TRULY mechanical triggers, you could be able to throw a set of subgauge tubes in them and shoot with no further modification or issue.

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They are mechanical. Pull the trigger twice while unloaded. Not inertia. Not trying to be a smartass, just telling it like it is...


Briley, Kolar, Coles, and many others can take an inertia trigger and make it function exactly as you describe by adding weight to the inertia block or swapping the inertia block spring out. STILL doesn't make it a mechanical trigger, just modified inertia. A TRUE mechanical trigger fires both barrels REGARDLESS of whether the gun is loaded, unloaded, or has one empty and one loaded chamber. This cannot be said about the 725 based on the reports I've seen here.

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:00 pm 
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The triggers are mechanical. You can dry fire it all day long , top or bottom barrel first it does not matter.
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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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As I said before, being able to dry fire it doesn't make it a mechanical trigger. Plenty of inertia triggers out there that you can dry fire both barrels all day long on, most notably Berettas after a Briley/Kolar/Cole conversion (including my dads). They are STILL inertia triggers. Its simply the fact that the "recoil" or movement created by the first hammer falling is enough to reset the inertia block for the second trigger.

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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Agree to disagree...

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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Skeet_Man wrote:
As I said before, being able to dry fire it doesn't make it a mechanical trigger. Plenty of inertia triggers out there that you can dry fire both barrels all day long on, most notably Berettas after a Briley/Kolar/Cole conversion (including my dads). They are STILL inertia triggers. Its simply the fact that the "recoil" or movement created by the first hammer falling is enough to reset the inertia block for the second trigger.



Not saying that's wrong, but if that's the case why wouldn't a sub gauge shell reset the block for the 2nd trigger?


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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
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I would guess the recoil of the smaller gauge shell is messing up the timing of the operation. IIRC Briley seems to have everything under control now as far as tuning the triggers to work, but the gun will still require modification to the triggers to allow them to function properly with subgauge shells (something which should never need to be done on a gun with TRUE mechanical triggers).

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 Post subject: Re: 725 Briley Tube set...
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 5:01 pm 
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Long story short...Briley got my 725 right the second time around when I sent it in for a tubeset. Required removing a "intertia block"(for lack of a better term). As I understand it, it's designed to delay the set of the second trigger for a split second during recoil to prevent a double fire.

I had one instance of a double fire when I got it back from them after the trigger job. Just had to realize that the trigger is a little touchy now. Few thousand rounds later, and I havent had any issues.

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