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 Post subject: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:33 pm 
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There is a new line of Turkish O/Us from ATI named "Cavalry. I called ATI and they claim the gun is made by a Turkish firm known as "KOFS." I tried to find info on them, but they seem to be more of an exporter than an actual manufacturer. Perhaps KOFS is actually Yildiz under a different name, to try and protect their existing market?

The gun looks remarkably like a Yildiz, which unfortunately we have no dealers for in the San Diego area. A number of people saw the "Calvary" line at the SHOT show and were very impressed with the visual quality of the gun for such a low price point (~ $500). Jeff over at gunblast.com was one of the admirers.

A shipment of these were already received by ATI and nearly sold out, but they were all extractor models, and the ejector model I'm interested in is not arriving until later in summer.

Does anybody know anything about the "Cavalry," or this "KOFS" company? Any guesses if this is a Yildiz or not?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-c ... tgun-1.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:32 pm 
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I'm all but certain it isn't made by Yildiz. Yildiz shotguns are made in Burdar, Turkey. TR Imports says on their web site that at least some of their guns are made in Huglu-Beysehir-Konya, Turkey. Its confusing reading their site; seems like they may have hired a firm that was once associated with Huglu to make them. TR Imports used to import Huglus, but CZ somehow took over. I don't know the story very well.

At any rate, they seem to be made in a different place than Yildiz.

Yidliz site:

http://www.yildizshotgun.com/contact.html

TR Imports:

http://store.trimports.net/catalog/prod ... 8658444ea4


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:18 pm 
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Thanks, Coosa. I didn't know that the Calvary was being sold by anyone else but ATI, but TRI has the 12 ga only.

I'm looking for an inexpensive .410 O/U for a few dove hunts and sporting clay outings, and trying to get info on the board here has been a bit frustrating. I've literally been attacked by people in my other threads, telling me that if it isn't a Beretta or other $2,000 O/U- to not bother, that ALL Turk guns are total crapola! Wow, such strong opinions!

Well, I'm immediately suspicious of anybody whom generalizes and acts this elistist. You guys here on the Yildiz forum seem to be very devoted to your Turkish guns, and I'm sure lots of you also own more expensive guns to compare them to. Yet, I read very few complaints about quality, at least on the Yildiz. Are Yildiz considered the very best of Turkish O/Us? Are other Turkish makers known to be of decent quality?

The problem for us is not having any Academy Sports here in S. CA. There is essentially no way I can actually see a Yildiz, so it is all speculaton. Can't buy one anyway unless somebody else buys one and then resells/ships to me via an FFL transfer.

Can you tell me more about the Turkish O/Us? Are the criticisms in any way justified, or are we just seeing gun snobbery in play here?


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:40 pm 
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Turkey Huntsman wrote:
I've literally been attacked by people in my other threads, telling me that if it isn't a Beretta or other $2,000 O/U- to not bother, that ALL Turk guns are total crapola! Wow, such strong opinions!


No you haven't, don't make outlandish claims.

Actually, you were the one that attacked others for expressing their opinions:

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What the heck is wrong with you fellas? If I'm not welcome here discussing "value-priced" guns, I'll just buy the damn piece of junk Turkish O/U for myself and put the snobs to shame at our trap range, the same way I've done with a Turkish-made Weatherby SA-12 semi auto.

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:08 pm 
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Skeetman: The "opinions" I solicited on MY thread were certainly not delivered with any sportsman-like behavior, and you darn well know it. I was belittled for even considering a "junk" Turkish gun. That is why I delivered my response. And by the way, cutting and pasting my comments out of context to make your argument is pretty low. You must be a journalist.

I think its best if you just stay the heck off of my threads. Neither your name nor your comments (nor anybody's for that matter) have been quoted anywhere by me. Your point has already been made before, thank you. You are now stalking and intentionally harassing me. Please stop now.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
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Show me where anyone "attacked" or "belittled" you?

You asked for opinions. You received opinions. You didn't like the replies you received, and got bent out of shape, and lashed out at those who spent their valuable time trying to help you.

I believe the internet term is "butthurt" :lol: :lol: :lol:

You seriously think I'm
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you? Thanks for the chuckle. I foresee you won't be around this board for long.

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:37 pm 
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Mr. Smingler, your abusive manner of mocking and insulting people whom have politely asked you to desist is completely inappropriate. And yes, you ARE stalking me as evidenced by your last post, which was merely intended to harass me and was 100% uncalled for. Sorry, but I fully intend to stay here on this board. And by the way, you have been reported twice now.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:38 pm 
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>>>Can you tell me more about the Turkish O/Us? Are the criticisms in any way justified, or are we just seeing gun snobbery in play here?<<<

I don't like the o/u style, and have no personal experience with them. I grew up shooting a sxs and that's just what I like. The folks on here that have the Yildiz o/u seem to really like them, and you can read some of the threads about reliability with them. My gunsmith bought several of the o/u guns to use with his 4-H club kids in clay shooting. He is very happy with them. He was also very impressed with my sxs and said it was better made than many more expensive guns he's worked on in the past.

I own 5 20 gauge sxs guns, and the Yildiz is my favorite by far. I love the light weight - my gun with 28" barrels weighs 5 lbs 7oz. It is so very simple in its construction, and yet works just fine. Shoots both barrels to same POI exceptionally well, smooth safety, reasonable trigger, and points where I am looking. If it only came in a double trigger, I would get rid of all the others and use nothing but Yildiz.

The fact that its made in Turkey is gonna cause many to call it junk without ever even seeing one. Learn to ignore them, and try to find people with actual experience with them. If you plan to shoot clays and want a gun to last 50,000 rounds, a Yildiz is probably not the best choice. If you want a hunting gun, its hard to beat.

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:52 pm 
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Thanks for the comments, Coosa. Trying to separate the wheat from chaff in Turkish-built guns is difficult at best. And yes, some consider ALL Turk guns to be chaff only. Oh well...!

There are just a few manufacturers over there, yet numerous small-time importers in the USA re-brand or re-label them, and it gets confusing. In addition, there are some higher-end Turk guns that get a fair deal of praise. Perhaps the Turks possess adequate assembly technology, but shy away on quality control for the cheaper models? Hit and miss seems to be the problem for most of these lower-end guns, which would indicate QC issues. People either swear by them, or swear AT them!

This gun would not be used for high-volume shooting, perhaps a hundred or two rounds per month tops, and see primary service out in the field during dove and rabbit hunting seasons. And what can fail, and what can wear out? Firing pins and springs are cheap/easy to replace, as are trigger parts. Keep the hinge lubricated and it should outlast me.

I've also noted that the majority of Yildiz owners report very good luck, and failures seem no more common than in the high-end brands. What about customer support and warrantee? Do these guns come with any? Does Briley do the warrantee repairs on them? Parts availability ever a concern?

Lastly, there is also the issue of avalability. Is it true that ONLY Academy Sports sells them? We do not have this chain here in CA. Any other vendors that you know of?

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Interesting blog post on Yildiz:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/0 ... r-shotgun/


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:43 pm 
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That was a good review, and just echoes what most Yildiz owners say. I've seen zero quality control issues in the 2 I own. I don't know anything they could have done as far as quality control to make them better except put 2 triggers on them. ;)

Unfortunately, its gonna be hard for you to get one in CA. Academy has the import rights in the USA, and they won't ship one to a FFL in another state. Might be a good reason to move out of CA. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:10 pm 
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[Might be a good reason to move out of CA... ]

Trust me, there are a THOUSAND good reasons to move out of CA, and back over to the USA! We are already in the planning stages - free state of AZ here we come! CA has become so socialist/lefist/liberal/anti gun/anti hunting/anti freedom, that every day is a emotional challenge to get through. When I moved here 25 years ago, it was very different, still a great place for sportsmen. Now, its only a good place if you are some kind of nut-job whom thinks the government always knows best, and is there to facilitate a good life for you...

I wouldn't wish this place on my worst enemy.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:20 pm 
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A couple of years ago Academy did have a method for selling from stores to out of state through a FFL. But, it was quite complex and unwieldy for them, and they stopped doing that. Maybe you can make a trip to an Academy state sometime and "import" one - but I understand there are restrictions on that, too.

I certainly have enjoyed my Y-gun the past 2 1/2 years - a 28 gauge O/U. Also have a new AKKAR 300CY (youth) 28 gauge pump. I don't shoot formal clays, I hunt, and generally shoot no more than a couple hundred rounds each year through my shotguns so they should last just fine for me. Yes, the Yildiz warranty is through Briley's and is three years. (AKKAR is importer-provided warranty service for five years.) I have a number of good, quality shotguns, but these two Turkish guns have really been fun for me. The Yildiz, in particular, has been way more than I would expect from a $429 (then) O/U shotgun - and it's nice looking. The most common complaint, as indicated in the blog review link posted, is the initial stiffness. It simply works out over time. I'm patient and I didn't want to go messing around with trying to fix it. If they ever build a 28 gauge SxS I'm a buyer.

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:47 am 
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Thanks for the info, WJonesSC. You have joined the other Yildiz owners whom concur...a pretty nice gun at a very reasonable price. I doubt that Briley would want to take on any true junk and ruin their reputation.

I've learned that .410 O/Us are even more expensive than their larger bore brothers, expecially in the used market. This makes a new Yildiz even more attractive, as finding a deal on a "big brand" .410 is going to be very difficult, if not impossible.

Today I uncovered 3 or 4 reviews of the Yildiz O/Us that were written in the UK. These reviews were rather technical - and considerably more in-depth than what we normally see in the USA. Without exception, the Yildiz gained high marks in most categories, and not one reviewer made excuses for the modest price. I was quite impressed with what I read. The biggest surprise was that a British panel voted Yildiz as "O/U Shotgun of the Year 2012." I would assume that the high value for price was a major factor in that award.

I'm going to start another thread here on the Yildiz forum and link to all of the reviews I have found. It will be very interesting reading for owners, and a great introductory guide for those whom are curious about these low-cost sleepers.

The .410 is now listing for $560 at Academy, and I have a friend in TX whom might be able to buy and ship one to my FFL for me. Shotguns can be freely imported into CA (at least today) provided they are not magazine-fed, "assault-type" weapons for which our beloved Senator Feinstein has a peculiar aversion to. I don't know how often Academy puts Yildiz on sale, but I might want to wait until they do. We have other guns to shoot right now, and can wait a bit for a deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:18 am 
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It's very rare for them to sell for other than MSRP at Academy (or in this case Importer SRP since Academy is also the importer). Occasionally I've seen the .410 single shot on sale around Christmas, and in-store one might find a refurb or clearance gun. I don't think I'd wait for a sale price.

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
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W: Thanks for that info. I'll call one of the TX Academy stores and confirm it is the same policy down in their marketing region. Even at MSRP, it is still a relatively inexpensive gun! The cheapest USED "big name" .410 O/U I've seen online is $1200 or so. I cant justify spending that much for a kid to be shooting at his age and current level of involvement.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:28 pm 
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Welcome TH {hs#

For a hunting and light target use gun, the Y is hard to beat 8)

The Huglu guns are also made in Turkey, and several folks like them as well. You can check them out on their forum. viewforum.php?f=137

I have been eyeing the Y 410 as well, but shells are high, approx $11 a box, and I don't currently reload.

Take care, happy shooting, and let us know what you decide :D

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:14 pm 
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At this point in Yildiz USA history, the shotguns have proven to be a very good bargain. Name brand buying dies hard for consumers for various reasons but experience with a product is the true test. That said, a Yildiz may never be a Perazzi, Kolar or Purdey but, it is a money saving shotgun for general sporting needs of MOST shooters. Don't forget that VALUE attraction when discussing the differences with even mid-range shotguns such as Browning.

Arguments arise when some shooters start calling a persons Yildiz "junk" when the person doesn't want or can't afford a "high dollar" gun of better quality. That remark, with a few others is very derogatory and needless.

Aside from that, I have done hand work and refined/polished a lot of Yildiz guns and I can tell you that they can be improved quite nicely. One might even consider the basic Yildiz shotguns as "hobby guns". The wood is usually better than other mid-priced guns and if you want to refinish the fine walnut, you can often come up with a grade III or IV finished stock! They are also attractive overall with the laser etching on the T6 alum. being plentiful and acceptable, for most, in quality. Of course you realize that the "hand work" is what often runs the price of ANYTHING up quite a bit. In these days of CNC machining a very good gun can be produced (without the refinements) at a much lower price. If you like to work on them----that's an added bonus. :D Most of us aren't qualified to "hobby" with our Perazzi :!: The Yildiz is definitely competition and a threat to the lower priced mid range guns (such as B guns etc.) There are many shooters that will dig deeper than they should to get a higher priced gun but, a less costly and reliable gun often makes a good choice for them. A maker like Yildiz is not good for a lot of the higher priced shotgun makers and may even have something to do with the limited access contract with Academy to handle the US sales :?: I have no EVIDENCE of that but, the current lack of Yildiz selections imported (they make many that are not distributed here), and the "locked up" contract by Academy is suspicious to me when you consider how many more Yildiz's could be sold. Maybe they don't care that much however, since many more Y guns are sold world wide----maybe capacity isn't there :?:

Anyway, it's a "good shotgun" and that's why I have a few of them including my 2 OU410's that I just love. And that's to go with other more expensive guns that I appreciate.

But, don't argue here guys. The Huglu and Yildiz sites have strong reputations for participants that don't degrade other shooters and don't start pissing contests----go elsewhere to argue :!:

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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:46 pm 
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TH - try GunBroker; or you should be able to find a board member who you trust and who also lives near an Academy store who would be willing to buy whatever Yildiz you're looking for and ship it by US Mail to your FFL (get his agreement first). Thus, for maybe $100 over the retail price including sales tax, shipping and transfer, you've got whatever Y gun you want. If no one else will do it, I will, but the stores that I know of in Arkansas are in Little Rock, and that's a pretty long drive, so I'd rather not. Still, no harm in asking someone, or even better, take a trip to DFW to where you can pick out your own gun - after making the other arraignments. The biggest bang for your buck would be in buying one of the "Specials" since most other costs are static. Just an idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Is The New ATI "Cavalry" Shotgun Made By Yildiz?
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wjonessc wrote:
If they ever build a 28 gauge SxS I'm a buyer.

W


I'm 100% with you on this. I would love to have it with twin triggers and extractors also.




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