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 Post subject: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:48 am 
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Hello everyone,

First of all, I’d like to mention that I’m writing from Turkey. Our hunting habits are different from the United States. For example the popular hunts are partridges, woodcock, quail, dove, woodpigeon, hare and wildboar.
Usually we hunt chukars with English Pointer dogs.

I thought you guys might find this video interesting and I'd like to share with you guys:
Chukar Partridge Hunting with English Pointer dogs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2mNBXJKB2w



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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Very nice. Thanks for sharing.

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:39 pm 
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Looks like some beautiful countryside too.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:27 pm 
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Thanks.
This is the second video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_hLB3_DAhw

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:10 am 
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Looks to me like we have much more in common than you'd think! Tons of folks hunt chukar, huns (partridge), quail, woodcock, doves, ect, here.

Thanks for sharing the video. Care to share what type of shotguns you're using? Some of also have great interest in Turkish O/U's and SxS too.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:03 am 
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What I found most interesting was how far away from each other those dogs would honor point. Another thing that interested me was the total lack of style in those dogs. I know style don't put birds in the bag but the dogs are much more handsome when they demonstrate at least a modicum of style.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:30 pm 
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Looks pretty similar to me as well. The dog work is a little different though. I too am interested in what kind of gear you guys use.... particularly your fowling pieces.

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:52 am 
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Vette Jockey wrote:
I know style don't put birds in the bag but the dogs are much more handsome when they demonstrate at least a modicum of style.



Guess it depends on what "style" you like.......which I would assume is "head high, and tail at 12 o'clock".

I think those pointers have a typical European style, where the tail is at 3 o'clock and they are crouched (just how I've heard much more knowledgeable pointer folks talk about).

I personally like it. But then again, Im not an "EP guy" either.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:58 am 
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I know that crouching position is what the dog would really do if he were hunting for his own food. That said, I do like to see the dogs more straight-legged on point, though I'm no stickler for how their tail ends up.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:58 am 
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JWP58 wrote:
Vette Jockey wrote:
I know style don't put birds in the bag but the dogs are much more handsome when they demonstrate at least a modicum of style.



Guess it depends on what "style" you like.......which I would assume is "head high, and tail at 12 o'clock".

I think those pointers have a typical European style, where the tail is at 3 o'clock and they are crouched (just how I've heard much more knowledgeable pointer folks talk about).

I personally like it. But then again, Im not an "EP guy" either.


I had a discussion this past season with a EP guy. We were basically talking about the same thing. He did bring up something that's pretty interesting and that I hadn't payed much attention to before. If you look at almost any photos or art work of pointers or setters prior to the 1950s most of those show crouched dogs with 3oclock tails. I would say "style" most likely originated with the American bird hunter and the breeding/ training programs of the past 60-70 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:59 am 
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Thanks for posting. I enjoyed watching the pointers work. As far as dropping on point, or crouching is concerned, in the early days, it was not at all unusual, in this country. Some of the best sportsman even encouraged it. There was some controversy as to whether it should be counted as a fault in early field trials. Evidently in those Turkish dogs it has not been discouraged. I don’t see it as a lack of style—just a different style, but I’m easy.

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“In earlier days some of the best sportsmen broke their dogs to drop on point. My father and friends used dogs that struck and stood their birds magnificently. Depending upon the terrain, and at caution, they sank into taut crouches, and there they quivered until the handler clucked them into a deliberate flush. At wing and shot they dropped again, and remained prone until ordered to fetch.” ——Mr. Field Trial- 1945


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:59 am 
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Thanks for the video's! Wish we had chukar country like that around here, most of it here is very rugged and steep.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:10 pm 
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Cool video!

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:34 pm 
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Very nice videos!! I hope you are hunting with some of your own country's guns: Huglu perhaps? We certainly enjoy the same type of hunting in the west. You have some great Chukar hunts!

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:46 pm 
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mountaindave wrote:
Very nice videos!! I hope you are hunting with some of your own country's guns: Huglu perhaps? We certainly enjoy the same type of hunting in the west. You have some great Chukar hunts!

MD


Flathead Valley? Where? Spent three years there in the early 70's, 716th Rad Sq in Lakeside. Used to be some good grouse hunting there and waterfowl on the north shore of the lake! I envy you!


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:58 am 
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It's still good! There is now a ski hill on Blacktail Mountain right underneath the radar tower - it's a great family place for locals. The north shore is a giant WPA and there is a conservation group working to establish a corridor from Blacktail down to just outside Kalispell. Come back and visit! (Sorry for the thread highjacking :D)

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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:07 am 
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I recently hunted with a guy and his English Setter. If the bird was close it would lay down. He said that was common in years past. The guy was 89 years old and a WW2 Vet.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:45 pm 
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Tagging so I can find these video links later. I like the old world dog work. It may not be stylish to American pointer fans but I find the natural slinky hunting style appealing.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
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Five dogs working at once, no gps collars and two guys on foot! That was a stellar bunch of pups. And the drive they have to retrieve is awesome. Those are true bird dogs.


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 Post subject: Re: Chukar Hunting with English Pointers Video
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great video. no problems with retrieving for those boys!




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