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 Post subject: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:21 pm 
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I apologize if this has already been covered but I did a search and didn't find what I was looking for.

What I'd like to know is, what differentiates a Light Twelve?

I looked at a fairly nice one today, 25" IC.

I don't know much about A-5's other than I'd like to own one before I go to that big quail hunt in the sky.



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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:46 pm 
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The weight.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:50 pm 
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Oh, thank you so very much! Who would have ever guessed?

But I have to ask, someone else preferably, what changes were made to reduce the weight?

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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Lightening of the receiver and the barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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In 1937 Browning added a specially lightened version of the 16 gauge called the Sweet Sixteen. It was so popular that in 1946 they did the same to the 12. Until 1948 both guns were identified by their gold triggers and safeties, that year Browning started engraving the names on the receivers. In '51 they lost the gold safety when it changed to the cross bolt but they kept the gold trigger.

Weight was saved by extra milling of the receiver and lightening holes in the barrel ring. I think only about 4 or 5 ounces were saved making it more of a marketing gimmick.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:12 pm 
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Here are two lightened 16 gauge barrel rings. The first is from an early version.

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Sorry I don't have pictures of the lightening cuts in the receiver, but there are two half circles milled on either side.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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According to Randy's chart they saved a little more weight than I thought. Hope you enjoy your Light Twelve!

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:11 pm 
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Thanks for the info, both of you!

I don't have a Light Twelve...yet. I was looking at a decent one today and the asking price was $650. 26" IC with VR, wood generally good--has some scratches; finish shows a little wear-mostly on the barrel where it slides past the forearm; no evidence (that I could detect) of rebluing or refinishing of the wood. I asked if they were open to offers and they said no.

Earlier, I looked at a different Light Twelve in a pawnshop which was in about the same condition, maybe a little better but not much. They were asking somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 for theirs. I offered $600 out-the-door and they countered at $800. I decided to look some more.

Thanks again for all the info. Any opinions on price would be more than welcome, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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i don't think $650 is a bad deal for that gun. You might do better on Gunbroker, especially if you're open to getting one with a Poly Choke. I bought one in great condition for $500 last year, without the Poly it would have been $700. Unlike most guys, I happen to like them.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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The stock is also lightened. The original Sweet Sixteen had a chiseled out, near hollow stock. The modern method is to drill two large holes.

The value seems to be on the increase for high condition, old Belgium made A5 with the vent rib bringing premium prices.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/616559406

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/631874563


The average condition Light Twelve can be found online and gun stores for $500 to $700. Serious bargains can also be found online.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/607964332

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/614249988


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:40 am 
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I know the bottom line is "whatever someone is willing to pay you for it"...but what should someone expect to get for a mid 1980's Japanese Light 12 with 26" VR Invector choked barrel? Only visible evidence of not being unused is slight wear of the blueing on the short tang down the pistol grip from the trigger guard. I bought new back then and have no desire to sell, but like to be aware of my firearm's values.

Thanks in advance for any advice.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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oh so close wrote:
but what should someone expect to get for a mid 1980's Japanese Light 12 with 26" VR Invector choked barrel?


Normally, way too much. Anyone can see what they go for on Gunbroker and there is always the Blue Book.

If you own one, you probably think it is worth twice as much as it really is. If you are buying one, you might think it is worth about 1/2 of the selling price.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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RandyWakeman wrote:
oh so close wrote:
but what should someone expect to get for a mid 1980's Japanese Light 12 with 26" VR Invector choked barrel?


Normally, way too much. Anyone can see what they go for on Gunbroker and there is always the Blue Book.

If you own one, you probably think it is worth twice as much as it really is. If you are buying one, you might think it is worth about 1/2 of the selling price.

LOL!! How true.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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My light 12 also had a hammer that had material removed (holes drilled) to help with weight and years ago when I shot it a lot for skeet I broke two hammers at the point of the drilled holes. Finally replaced it with a regular weight hammer.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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Mine too. And I had to go to Numrich for a replacement as new hammers are no longer available. The part I got looks new, and I was happy to see that it didn’t have the lightening holes. Here’s a shot of the broken hammer:

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The broken pin isn’t the hammer pin. It’s the safety sear pin that bent when the hammer blew up. A spare trigger plate donated the replacement.

And I hope that by now Zbigniew has found his Light Twelve.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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Oh yeah. April 2017.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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Rudolph31 wrote:

Weight was saved by extra milling of the receiver and lightening holes in the barrel ring. I think only about 4 or 5 ounces were saved making it more of a marketing gimmick.


It is a lot more than than, including channeling out the buttstock.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Light Twelve vs Regular A-5
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I acknowledged that over a year ago:

Rudolph31 wrote:
According to Randy's chart they saved a little more weight than I thought.




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