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 Post subject: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:28 pm 
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I'm trying to tune my 410 reloads using ww296 powder & aahs hulls. My question concerns the shot amount being used are you dropping 218 grains or the maximum allowed 232 grains or something in between ? Also what powder and weight are you using and wad ?




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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:37 pm 
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In the AAHS hulls, I've been using 16.3gr of 296 with the winchester 209 primer, WAA410HS wad (or the Claybuster equivalent), and about 225gr of #9 magnum shot. Seems to fill up the hull nicely for me and gives me ample wiggle room so I don't get any shot drops that are over the legal maximum.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:05 pm 
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Or you can use H-110. Same powder as 296 and get the same result

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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:59 pm 
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The 410 has always been the weak part of my game and I started shooting registered skeet 33 years ago. You will get a lot of suggestions as to how to load your 410. A lot of guys on here want their velocity up around 1300 fps and are convinced that is the way to go.

Last year I loaded and shot a little over 8000 410 shells at skeet targets. 1/2 were loaded with STS hulls and 1/2 with HS hulls. Those were each loaded 1/2 to 1200 fps and 1/2 to 1300 fps.

At the end of that time the average score of the 1200 fps and 1300 fps loads were 92.5% and 92.35% respectively. The averages were essentially the same between the green hull and the red one.

With my skill level and my gun, it made no difference whether the shells run at 1200 or 1300 fps.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:27 pm 
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16.0 of 296 gets me 1320 with the full 232 grains of #9.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 am 
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In once-fired AA cases; Winchester 209 primer, 16.0 grains of 296, Claybuster wad, and 230 grains of hard #9 shot, recently gave 1319 fps with 12 fps standard deviation.

During that same session, Winchester AA factory loads gave 1342 fps with 24 fps standard deviation.

Both factory loads and reloads have been checked more than once with similar results. All sessions consist of at least 10 shots, usually more.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:22 am 
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I can't tell you much about the .410 but I load and shoot approximately 10,000 28's per year. I recommend the load listed in The Alliant manual for the AAHS hull, 2028 powder,and Claybuster 5034 wad.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:09 am 
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I found out recently that my mec reloader was only dropping around 195 grains of #9 shot when it was supposed to be closer to 230 grains. Once I filed out my charge bar and started dropping more lead my reloads got much tighter and more consistent.

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I am still under the legal limit of shot {hs#


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:53 am 
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Four or five years ago, at one of the large Dallas Gun Club skeet shoots, our squad lead off man was a AAA shooter that had a 99 in the 410 event and a 398 in the HOA that weekend.

His 410 ammo sounded kind of wimpy to me compared to the other shooters on our squad, but he was really crushing the 410 targets. He told me that his reloads were HS hull, 14.5gr 296, Remington wad, W209, and maximum amount of shot. He emphasized that the Remington wad was a must.

I went home and tried to look up the load but couldn’t find it, but I concluded that his load had to be going well under 1200 fps.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:10 am 
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tractorboy wrote:
Four or five years ago, at one of the large Dallas Gun Club skeet shoots, our squad lead off man was a AAA shooter that had a 99 in the 410 event and a 398 in the HOA that weekend.

His 410 ammo sounded kind of wimpy to me compared to the other shooters on our squad, but he was really crushing the 410 targets. He told me that his reloads were HS hull, 14.5gr 296, Remington wad, W209, and maximum amount of shot. He emphasized that the Remington wad was a must.

I went home and tried to look up the load but couldn’t find it, but I concluded that his load had to be going well under 1200 fps.


I never put much credence in claims that fast 410s "patterned better", especially from those that never counted pellet holes in their patterns.

I did give credence to the claims that faster 410s were more reliable in 1100s, and that is why the ammo companies jacked up the speed of their 410s.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:57 am 
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By the time Winchester and Remington increased the speed of their 410 loads, 1100's were never the gun of choice in Registered Skeet.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:03 am 
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D McMillen wrote:
By the time Winchester and Remington increased the speed of their 410 loads, 1100's were never the gun of choice in Registered Skeet.


When did Winchester and Remington increase the speed of their 410 loads?


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:20 am 
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1100 .410 guns need hot loads because the slow burning powders typically used typically burn dirty. Blow back into the action with unburned powder particles will soon foul the action especially if the action has been lubricated with oil or anything sticky. Hot loads produce less residue than milder loads. I tried some mild loads with H-110 powder and my action got so dirty after 75 rounds that the gun failed to cycle.

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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:14 pm 
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I'm using 15.8 of ww296 and currently dropping about 220 grains of shot. I think I will increase the shot up to 228 or so


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:10 am 
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D McMillen wrote:
By the time Winchester and Remington increased the speed of their 410 loads, 1100's were never the gun of choice in Registered Skeet.


That doesn't compute. I heard that Remington jacked up the speed of their 410s to increase reliability in 1100s from one of the Nutmegs when they were still shooting 1100s.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:31 pm 
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I run 15.5 grains of 296 and an honest 1/2 oz of shot, Win AAHS hull and Win 296 primer.

While I am no ace with a .410, I have total confidence in my loads.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 skeet load questions
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:41 pm 
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Why the importance of the speed of the 410? It's not what most of you are thinking. The reason you want the velocity up is, energy, not pattern, not lead. I do believe that anything over 1300 is to fast and causes pattern problems. I have mine at 1250 fps as the rest of my gauges. I am not going to say what my load is, only that it's legal. I seem to shoot the 410 ok, but I can say shooting good scores in the 410 has little to do with the load. Good scores in the 410 come from the right mindset.

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