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 Post subject: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High 2?
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:40 am 
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How many of you right-handers look in the window on High 2?




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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:46 am 
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Not me. My setup is completely different.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:54 am 
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I set my hold point, then look back toward the window. I don't hard focus at trying to look in the window. When I see the bird come out, I swing my gun until I see a foot lead and pull the trigger. I am a 5 Stand shooter, rather than a hard core skeet shooter, so am more of a reactive shooter. I shoot Todd Bender's leads, and am reasonably successful. It's all fun.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:59 am 
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Moving my look point out on High 2 was THE THING to make that shot easier for me. When you look at the window that bird appears to be screaming across the field. Bring your look out a bit and it appears much slower.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:13 am 
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not me


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:50 am 
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Not me. If the bird beats your eyes, the tendency is to jerk the gun.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:56 am 
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My hold point is about 1/3 of the way to the stake. I look back as far as is comfortable without pulling my face away from the stock.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:07 pm 
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My hold point is about 1/3 of the way out from the house, and my look point is about a hand width to the left of the barrel; thereabouts.
Looking into the house as you ask, I think I would get beat, and I would be chasing the target. But I'll try it on Friday.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
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Just because he asked about it, doesn't mean you should do it. :)

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:18 pm 
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Correct! But if it helps....

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:47 pm 
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Todd Bender's hold points helped me with this target, which is still challenging. My hold point is a couple yards out from perpendicular. Look a little to the left of the barrel. Don't hold the barrel too high.

If you wind or even look back to the house (and a lot of guys do), you start off with a screaming crosser, which you finally come to grips with as a quartering target and eventually catch and break nearly going away. I choose to eliminate the first and third parts of that process.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:32 pm 
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My hold point is about 1/3 out and I have my face firm on the stock and soft focus my look point back off the gun and move on the flash but never at the window.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:24 pm 
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la angler wrote:
My hold point is about 1/3 out and I have my face firm on the stock and soft focus my look point back off the gun and move on the flash but never at the window.


That's pretty close to what I do.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:47 am 
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Everyone is different. Everyone reacts differently. A good, 70 year old shooter with 20 year old eyes and reflexes, could look directly into the house. Does not work for me. I tend to hold out as far as possible and still see the opening in my peripheral vision. Seems to slow the bird down and I can "Focus" faster.

IMHO: There is way too much science applied to this game. Watch an international shooter. They look, react, focus and shoot. No time for applied sciences.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:01 am 
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I've shot a few times with an International shooter (with a gold). Yes, when the clay is released, it's as you say. But, the science is in the setup, and there's quite a lot of it.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:11 am 
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It doesn't matter how fast your eyes are, if the target beats your eyes and your eyes have to catch up to it to gain focus, the target will appear to be faster and chances are you will jerk the gun in front of the target, realize you're too far in front, then put the brakes on your swing. Not good. Not quite as bad if shooting swingthrough.

Seeing the bird in your peripheral works because it gives your eye the opportunity to go back to the target to gain focus, the target slows down, you don't feel rushed, you're able to merge the gun with the target smoothly and control it into the break point.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:36 am 
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I stand on the right front corner, hold parallel from there to the house, and look back as far as comfortable, probably 3 feet out from the window.

Move on the flash.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:43 am 
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I am a left-hand shooter, so for me at low house 6 I've found I do better when I don't look into the window or even close to the window. (Right now I look almost straight ahead, and I wait to see the flash.) For me, the biggest issue is looking at the correct flight path of the target.

It's taken me quite awhile to accept that the bird slows down and I have a lot of time to hit it.

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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:31 pm 
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xsshooter wrote:
I stand on the right front corner, hold parallel from there to the house, and look back as far as comfortable, probably 3 feet out from the window.

Move on the flash.


This is exactly how I shoot High 2. For me, the thing is to never let the target get in front of my gun. I move at the flash, stay ahead of the target, the target appears to slow down, I get that 1 1/2 foot lead and try to break the bird at or just before the stake. Sometimes, my reactions are a bit slow and I'll catch it just after the stake. On those rare times when the bird gets past my gun, my chances of hitting the target go down by 50%.

I see people hold into the window and some hit it fairly regularly that way, but they are not as consistent as they should be on it. IMO, holding into the window is technically incorrect. Same goes for Low 6.


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 Post subject: Re: How many of you right-handers look in the window on High
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 pm 
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twohigh wrote:
xsshooter wrote:
I stand on the right front corner, hold parallel from there to the house, and look back as far as comfortable, probably 3 feet out from the window.

Move on the flash.


This is exactly how I shoot High 2. For me, the thing is to never let the target get in front of my gun. I move at the flash, stay ahead of the target, the target appears to slow down, I get that 1 1/2 foot lead and try to break the bird at or just before the stake. Sometimes, my reactions are a bit slow and I'll catch it just after the stake. On those rare times when the bird gets past my gun, my chances of hitting the target go down by 50%.

I see people hold into the window and some hit it fairly regularly that way, but they are not as consistent as they should be on it. IMO, holding into the window is technically incorrect. Same goes for Low 6.

You are dead on.




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