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 Post subject: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:20 am 
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I shoot trap with a 1966 Winchester 101 and the original recoil pad. I constantly hear stories about how the 101 "kicks like a mule" and is unsuitable for trap. That puzzles me as I don't experience all this horrible recoil and never have. That was true in 1966 and it is still true today even though I am much older.

Any thoughts or tales about this?



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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:28 am 
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Most people who say that the 101 kicks hard blame it on the pitch angle. I can't say as I had the stock cut and a Pachmayr Old English recoil pad installed on my '87 Field Special as soon as I got the gun, which may have changed the pitch. I've hunted with the gun a lot and shot quite a few rounds of skeet and 5-Stand, and have never found it to be a particularly hard kicker except with 2 oz. turkey loads, and everything kicks hard with those.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 pm 
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Lightweight gun, bad pitch, thin stock, rock hard recoil pad. All contribute to it's reputation. Plus when the gun was popular, 3 dram 1 1/8oz loads were standard for both skeet and trap, and few people shot anything but.

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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
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My 101 weighs 7.5 lbs. I have recut the stock for more pitch and added a Kickeze. My stock is pretty full in the comb. I do not think it defies the laws of physics to make more recoil but I do tend to shoot lighter loads in it when shooting clays. I think recoil is all gun weight, stock fit, and load. (And whether or not you hit the target)


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:27 am 
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The newer ones come from the factory with a Pachmayr recoil pad.......I don't mind shooting mine for 50, 75 rounds but having grown up on old model 12's maybe my expectations are that a shotgun will thump a bit.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 am 
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I have little to no experience with 12-gauge 101s, but I've shot a lot of skeet with the old three-gauge skeet sets in the 1970s, and again in 2002-4 with my Father's old 20-gauge and never noticed a bit more recoil than from similar Browning Superposeds. All guns with the standard butt plate.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:37 am 
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I had a 20g 101 XTR that had no noticeable kick even with pheasant loads.

I'm trying to remember why I sold it. :?


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My 15 year old grandson shoots sporting clays with a 20-bore 1971 vintage 101 and has no complaints. He does have a very good gun mount and mounts the gun just where it needs to be.


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I never shot a 101 that didnt kick. and I shot a lot of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:27 am 
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bobski wrote:
I never shot a 101 that didnt kick. and I shot a lot of them.


My experience as well.
I like 101's very much and had a trap model in the early 70's that, while I could shoot very well, always left me with a black and blue cheek and shoulder.


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No myth... it's like getting kicked in the face and shoulder by a pissed off mule. I've never shot a gun that, pound for pound, gave as much felt recoil as the 101. Simply miserable to shoot.


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If the gun don't fit, you will be hit. No matter the brand or model of O/U, a poor fit will exacerbate the recoil effects. My Beretta 686 SP1 Sporting socks me good; my Japanese 101 does not. The 101 fits some of us pretty well and shooting one isn't noticeably unpleasant.


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I had a 101 for a short time and liked it. I didn't notice that it kicked hard.
I foolishly sold it to buy something else and regretted doing so after the sale.
The very first time I shot it, I shot a 24 which at the time was good for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:54 pm 
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drsfmd wrote:
No myth... it's like getting kicked in the face and shoulder by a pissed off mule. I've never shot a gun that, pound for pound, gave as much felt recoil as the 101. Simply miserable to shoot.


Agree. The 7.5lb skeet/field guns where miserable to shoot as where Browning Lightning Superposes. Thank god for small bag limits.

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ChanceMcCall wrote:
I shoot trap with a 1966 Winchester 101 and the original recoil pad.


If, after 52 years, you still can't figure out if the 101 kicks more than many other guns, it is far too late to matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:58 am 
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I believe that a number of issues contribute to felt recoil from any shotgun. Not all people experience recoil the same. The worst gun recoil wise I ever shot was an Ithaca model XL300 12 gauge. It did not fit me well. The recoil was so bad that I traded the gun in exactly one day after purchasing it. The only other gun I have shot with extremely bad recoil was a synthetic stocked 12 gauge Mossberg 835 shotgun using 3 1/2" turkey loads. I also got rid of that one quickly, and went to a model 500 with a after market recoil pad, using 2 3/4 or 3" loads. Much more acceptable, though still hefty recoil using magnum turkey loads. Using any other shotguns I have used either hunting or target shooting, recoil is seemingly almost blocked out of my mind. I honestly don't notice it at all, as long as the gun even some what fits me. I have since given up on the 12 gauge. They are just too heavy to lug around anymore I shoot strictly 20 gauge guns now, with my little 16 gauge plain barrel, model 37 there for rabbits, squirrels and partridge.

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 Post subject: Re: Winchester 101 Recoil Myths?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:24 am 
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lossking wrote:
... My Beretta 686 SP1 Sporting socks me good; my Japanese 101 does not. The 101 fits some of us pretty well and shooting one isn't noticeably unpleasant.


Same here, never noticed what I'd call excessive recoil with a 101. On the other hand I had a Beretta 687L 20ga that was the most unpleasant gun to shoot that I ever owned. 7/8oz loads were just painful. I was happy the day I bought it and even happier the day I sold it.




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