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 Post subject: Should business pay more taxes than individuals?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 pm 
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Should someone who earned X amount of of dollars running a business pay more taxes than someone who earned the same amount in wages?



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So, a small businessperson is to be considered more important and entitled than a "wage slave"?

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Where do businesses get the money to pay taxes?

Oh, right, they pay taxes with the revenue they get from charging customers for goods and services. So, if you raise the taxes on businesses who will actually pay those taxes?


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:09 am 
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Man by nature is greedy, selfish, and sinful. Given the choice he’d pay no taxes and always make others pay them, for his benefit. Man likes the trappings and conveince of civilization, but objects to him personally having to pay for them. He thinks others, such as the parasitic poor, should be neglected, and those much richer than he is, should pay taxes instead. It’s the same all around the world.

For two thousand years the benign and civilizing idea of Christianity has failed to overcome selfish human nature.

Of all taxes, the progressive income tax is the least harmful to the economy of any nation. Sales taxes, capital gains taxes, payroll taxes, inheritance taxes, ad valorem taxes, and per capita taxes never take into
account ability to pay, like an income tax does.

With the progressive income tax, only adult income earners are taxed, more as they earn and can afford more, and children and the retired are spared taxation altogether.

The downside of a progressive income tax is that in theory it discourages work and earning income.

But man is such a greedy, selfish, sinful creature he hardly ever passes up a chance at making profits.

When he’s young he needs more money to chase women, and in his older years to buy him comfort and prolong the coming of the reaper.

My old dead machinist philosopher buddy Jack used to say man worked for only those two motives, of sex and avoiding death.

I added man also works for luxuries such as buying shotguns, ammunition, and range fees, but Jack maintained those were just ways to relieve stress and live longer, mostly, or pretend he’s more manly and attractive than he actually is.

Jack earned a fortune during his lifetime, paid at least half in income taxes, and died a mulimillionare in his sleep at 89, leaving a wife 23 years his junior to inherit his stuff, and mourn his passing.

He hated paying income taxes, but hated poverty more.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:12 am 
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Prior to Woodrow Wilson, there was no Federal income tax, at all. The Federal Government was small as the founders intended. The first Federal income tax was also small. Income tax to politicians is like heroin to a drug addict. Today the Federal income tax is large and so is the government, and the tax still isn’t enough to satisfy all of the waste, fraud and abusive spending that our elected officials practice. It’s a sorry state of affairs. Sometimes I wish that all workers everywhere would strike and just sit out the government: no income, no income tax. It’s beautifully simple.

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 Post subject: Re: Should business pay more taxes than individuals?
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:52 am 
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casonet wrote:
Prior to Woodrow Wilson, there was no Federal income tax, at all. The Federal Government was small as the founders intended. The first Federal income tax was also small. Income tax to politicians is like heroin to a drug addict. Today the Federal income tax is large and so is the government, and the tax still isn’t enough to satisfy all of the waste, fraud and abusive spending that our elected officials practice. It’s a sorry state of affairs. Sometimes I wish that all workers everywhere would strike and just sit out the government: no income, no income tax. It’s beautifully simple.


Those that count such numbers tell us that the USA has a gross domestic product of about 20 trillion dollars a year, and the federal government spends 4 trillion, or 20% of GDP.

Ceasar doesn’t spend a horrible percentage, only twice the Lord’s tithe of ten per cent, which is even deductible from income taxes. And most of the government spending is immediately spent inside the country, save only a fraction for foreign aid, foreign wars, and interest payments to foreigners. Well over 90% of federal spending is spent at home, and goes right back in the pot.

Since World War Two the federal government has spent an amazingly consistent average of 20% of GDP. During major recessions they spend as much as 25% and during times of peace and plenty spending may drop as low as 18%, but for the most part the federal government spends about 20% of current GDP.

The problem is our cowardly politicians only tax an average of about 18% of GDP, which results in nearly perpetual budget deficits. Our current Congress has increased spending and cut taxes even more, and now the federal government will only tax 16% of GDP. But hey, it keeps them in office, you know?

The obvious solution would be for the government to spend 18% in good times and tax 21% of GDP, creating a 3% surplus like we enjoyed in the last of the 1990s.

Instead our representatives pander to the public and run deficits, kicking the can of financial responsibly down the road to our children.

They are for balanced budgets, just so long as cutting waste, fraud, abuse, and cutting all foreign aid except to Israel, and cutting help to the unfortunate are the only funding mechanisms to accomplish that goal. Perish the very thought, of spending a little less and taxing a little more, as it puts them in mortal fear of losing their elected offices.

So far it’s worked out, but our children may grow tired of paying our taxes for us, eventually, and they’ll severely tax the property of the old codgers that tried to avoid paying taxes.

Time will tell.

The only thing that’s constant is that people will bitch, moan, whine, bellyache and complain about any taxes whatsoever, the same as they always have.

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 Post subject: Re: Should business pay more taxes than individuals?
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:24 pm 
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With that post, the founding fathers are turning over in their graves.....very sad that people are of your way of thinking

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casonet wrote:
With that post, the founding fathers are turning over in their graves.....very sad that people are of your way of thinking


The Founding Fathers would likely be very proud of us today.

The American dollar is the world’s strongest currency, backed only by the world’s faith in America. Our nation borrows money at the lowest rates in human history, secured only by our promise to perpetually pay the small interest charge. Their constitution remains remarkably intact, save only amendments granting more liberties to the people,,,and authorizing an income tax.

America has the most powerful armed forces ever seen under the sun, in the wealthiest and freest nation that’s ever existed. Thousands of airplanes fill the skies, flying from one huge city to the other, flying over six million miles of paved roads, full of automobile and trucks, and the most fertile and productive farms on earth. Each child receives 12 years of education at taxpayer expense, and literacy rates are close to 100%. America has a net worth of at least a hundred trillion dollars, the largest national income in the world, and less than two per cent of the work force is all that’s required for its federal government. We even debate walls to keep others away, because so many others want to live here.

Our generation only needs maintain what our fathers built, and leave it better than we found it.

The founding fathers used Spanish money, as their money “wasn’t worth a Continental”.

They nearly starved in the cold of Valley Forge for want of good money, that only comes by adequate taxation to produce it.

Yet they began the greatest civilization ever known, the shining city on the hill that’s America, whose best days are yet to come.

They had their whiners and complainers, too, and John Adams was at least on par with Donald Trump as being an arrogant, scheming, demagogue.

But we survived John Adams and we’ll survive Trump and Trumpism, too.

It’s the American people that make America great, and that hasn’t and won’t ever change.

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The founders envisioned a weak Federal Government and strong strong state governments; not what we have today. The founders are still turning over! I do not think that they would be pleased. We have much less liberty than at the beginning.

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The founders envisioned a weak Federal Government and strong strong state governments; not what we have today. The founders are still turning over! I do not think that they would be pleased. We have much less liberty than at the beginning.


The founding fathers convened a constitutional convention to institute a stronger federal government than the Articles of Confederation provided. Their money was nearly worthless, and the states had no cohesive federal government to defend the nation, establish a currency, and regulate interstate commerce.

The founders would nearly all be grateful their nation had universal literacy thanks to public education. They might be surprised to find themselves regarded as civic Gods today, and their writings nearly on par with the gospels.

John Adams would be amused the folks he’d have never allowed to vote venerate his memory, thanks to all those schoolteachers who’ve covered for him for over two centuries now.

They’ll even put Trump in the best light possible.

He has built some beautiful tall buildings, and miillions love him, although not as much as he loves himself. They’ll find something good to tell the children about Trump.

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Typical leftist spin. You have no idea what the founders would think about the present day country. I believe that they would be offended. Washington is nothing but the powerful reincarnation of a powerful King.

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Typical leftist spin. You have no idea what the founders would think about the present day country. I believe that they would be offended. Washington is nothing but the powerful reincarnation of a powerful King.


The founders would love to know their dream of a great nation came true.

Sure, there’s the blame America first crowd, the whiners and complainers, the naysayers and the doom prophets, but the founders suffered them in their time, also.

Trump is not our King, and his government not our oppressor.

America governs itself by a representative form of democracy, just as our founder set up, and the people decide our fate, according to our traditions and principles, and our constitutional.

Trump too, shall pass.

But let’s hope it’s a long time before we see another one like him.

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Now, I’m offended

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Our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they knew what the country they started has turned into. Also what modern day Liberalism has become. I know Conservatives don't wanna admit it, but our Founding Fathers WERE Liberals and this country WAS founded upon Liberal ideology with the core logics being freedom and liberty. Our Founding Fathers wanted us to be a country that had escaped tyranny and look what we got today. A tyrant as President! I swear our country is quickly becoming the Fourth Reich. :x

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There you go again with false claims about your President. Show us some proof of this tyranny.


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There you go again with false claims about your President. Show us some proof of this tyranny.


He's not my President. My President is Ron Paul. The greatest President we'll never have. :(

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What changed in 1913 that the Federal government could no longer get along without an income tax?

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As I understand originally the federal government was funded by alcohol taxes. They needed to fund ww1, thus income tax, then that allowed prohibition as excise tax was no longer needed.


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They had some premonition in 1913 that Archduke Franz Ferdinand was going to be assassinated in 1914, touching off the Great War?

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Ezra Smack wrote:
Should someone who earned X amount of of dollars running a business pay more taxes than someone who earned the same amount in wages?
ES,

Bladeswitcher got it right; businesses don't ever pay taxes. Their customers pay there tax bill for them. Any other process would put them out of business post haste.



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