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 Post subject: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (skeet)
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:40 pm 
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I'd like to buy #9 in the Win AA 410 1/2oz target loads, but I'm only finding #8 right now... wanting to take advantage of a sale and the rebate this week. The #8 give 205 pellets, the #9 is 292... is the #8 OK for skeet or a $$ waste?

Never shot 410 before, but I've got a set of Kolar tubes that came with my 682, so thought I might buy a flat and give it a try. For 28ga I shoot 3/4oz of #9 and usually get 23 or 24 in skeet. Or should I wait for #9 since this is just a "one time" purchase to mess around with the 410 tubes, but I don't have plans to shoot it or reload it... thought my wife might like it or some such.
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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:06 pm 
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If it were me just shooting skeet targets I would hold out until I could find some #9 loads for it has so many more pellets per shell. The aa rebate last til September you may can find them online at academy for 8.99/box now delivered.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:24 pm 
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Thx. Yep, Academy only has the #8 and a 10% mil sale going on I didn't want to miss. Just hoping to hear from a 410 skeet shooter on whether #8 works OK ;)


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:06 pm 
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For practice 8's are okay for skeet.
I load 8's all summer because that's all I find available.
When the scoresheet comes out on the skeet field, I'm shooting AA factory 9's.
At home I load 8.5's and use them for all .410 fun clay shooting.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:41 pm 
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Thx ;) Will order, as just messing around and want to try these 410 tubes out, will never shoot a registered skeet thing in my life I"m sure. Wish the 9s were avail but oh well, Academy military 10% off sale too good to miss out on when combined with the Win AA rebate, free shipping and no tax! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:55 pm 
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I ordered two flats of 9's from Academy and sent in the rebate form.
Be careful, .410 is addictive. I enjoy it above all others.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:37 pm 
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I like shooting the 410 above all othergauges. Got in three rounds of skeet today. Reloads of #9


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:45 am 
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I used #8.5 & #9 for skeet and both worked fine. Never tied #8 for skeet but did break a few 40 yard shots that impressed a G gun sponsored shooter with the AA418HS ammo on the sporting clay's course.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:20 pm 
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Well I shot 410 today with my tubes, borrowed 2 boxes from a buddy of #9 Estate. Really fun, I got a 23/25 in skeet on one, so about what I do with my 12ga 3/4oz loads.

Looking forward to my ammo showing up... I might have ordered a bag of wads just in case heh... Turns out I have a 410 die set for my PW375C so just might have to try a reload.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 3:31 pm 
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Nothing on the skeet range that a 410 can not break in dramatic fashion. All you have to do is center it in the tiny little pattern. Good shooting! After my first skeet league 400 rounds my best is a 21. Used a 410, thought of trying a 20 gauge but I can miss with any thing likely shoot a 15 or so.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:28 pm 
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Well the #8 stuff at "1300 fps" showed up, and I've shot 5 boxes or so.
Strangely, with quite high winds I got a 23 and a 21 last Sat, then last Wed I went out and with dead calm winds I think I got a 17 lol...

However, get this: I set up and chronographed a bunch of loads. Chrony F1, 88F, 1032'msl, sunny.
I calibrated the device with some Rem ACF 20ga 7/8oz that is "1200fps" and folks have said is pretty accurate in speed. Three shots, average was 1178 and all within 10fps of that. Muzzle velocity correct for distance from the sensors, gives 1227 fps. So pretty accurate.

I shot 5 rounds of the .410 Win AAHS 3/4oz #8 @ 1300 "SuperSport".
1368 1383 1404 1397 1379, avg 1386. Corrected MV is 1444 fps!
That's waay too fast. I patterned these loads at 25 yards while chronographing them, and the centers of all were blown and a bit empty, with skeet chokes in 410 Kolar tubes from a Beretta 682. There were several spots near the center where a clay could get through, certainly sideways-- but the edges of the pattern out at 7-15" from the center were all quite good and dense.

So I'm thinking this: in the high winds, I wasn't properly changing my leads on the slow and fast target, resulting in them probably being hit by the annular ring where all my shot was. In the calm winds, I was on target at the center but probably missed quite a few due to the very thin centers. Most of my misses I felt like should have been hits, and I usually get 23 or 24 with 3/4oz loads out of 28ga, 20ga, and 12ga, which all have good patterns in my 1225ish reloads.

After I patterned the 410 ammo, I went back and shot a round with 7/8oz commercial Rem ACF #9 (which I also patterned and they had strong centers), and got a 23 with all strong breaks.

So my current thoughts on this #8 .410 AA SuperSport ammo is that it's too fast for skeet chokes and the patterns are already blown/open at 25 yards. 1444 fps is just too fast for small lead, without some choking and pattern testing. With IC, Mod, or LM, I'm sure it would be a fantastic sporting clays shell though... unfortunately, the only .410 I own are the tubes with skeet chokes for my Beretta.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:51 pm 
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viewtopic.php?f=13&t=470287

Reloading thread for 410 WinAAHS hulls... hehe.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:39 am 
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My understanding is all win AA410 ammo is 1300 fps regardless of what is stamped on the box. No change in powder charge just shot size. STS is faster with a few more pellets. In my case ignorance is bless every time I pattern a 1/2 load I am saddened. What saves me is the 410 really works great if I give it no mind and shoot it like it is a big gun.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:56 pm 
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Oops double post


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:56 pm 
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I Shoot sporting clays with AA #8’s at 1300 fps and shoot a top choke XF and the bottom choke F. This produces a fantastic pattern for me at 35 yds.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 ammo WinAA 1/2oz, first 410 try...#8 ok? vs. #9 (sk
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:57 pm 
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I reload my own with home made #9. I like to have fun shooting skeet with a SxS double choked full and full. I average 19 with it but have hit as high as 23. After shooting that tiny 1/2 oz. load with such a tight pattern, the 12 ga. 1 1/8oz. skeet gun seems like a real cannon with a huge pattern! It really does improve my precision.




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