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 Post subject: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz #9?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:50 pm 
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I'm sure this has been well covered, but SEARCH is terrible here and there's not near enough to read in reloading (at least for me), and I expect the .410 guys are looking for a thread to show their arcane knowledge of hull-life and reloading ease ;)

I just started shooting some skeet with .410 in my tubes on a Beretta 682... had the tubes, the WinAA sale and rebate were on, so I ordered a flat.

Unfortunately, what I knew would happen DID happen... it was so much fun, and them darn shells are so cute, and I get twice as many cool points with a 410 as I do with the same score in 12ga, and have a better excuse when I miss. Now I want to reload these things-- which is exactly why I have avoided .410 like the plague for all these years, I didn't want to be messing with these litte fellers!! GRRRR!

SO! I've looked at Alliant and seen basically two recipes, 410 and 300-MP powder with Win209. Hodgon has H110/Win296, and LilGun, with CCI209M, Fed209A, Rem209P, Win209. I already have a few pounds of LilGun but have uses for it in 28ga and 20ga steel. What's the "Best" powder to use for this hull/wad and the PW375?
Folks have told me LilGun burns the hulls and reduces life, other guys said I'd have all sorts of powder leakage issues with PW375... ??
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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:27 pm 
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I load on a PW375 and use 296 in 410 hulls. I think any reloading press will have powder migration problems with H110/296 and similar powders, but there are modifications you can make that nearly eliminate the problem.

First, get a piece of bicycle inner tube, a piece of chamois will work, too. Make a sleeve that fits around the plastic where the powder bushing sits. From the underside cut the strip so that it is just slightly longer than the plastic holder. The creates a seal or "sweeper" to prevent powder leakage there.

The bigger problem is on top of the bushings. The small gap between the bushing and the plastic disc that holds the bushings will cause powder migration like crazy. Once the bushings are in place and you're sure you have the correct one for the powder drop, take some clear packing tape and tape over the plastic and bushings. Avoid overlap of the tape, lay pieces next to each other so you don't have a ridge there. You"ll have to take an X-acto knife and cut out the hole in the bushings and anywhere you overlapped the stationary center column or the bolt and pin hole. This creates a smooth gap free surface and almost totally eliminates the powder leakage and migration.

Other than that, the Claybuster wad, Winchester primers and #9 lead have made a good skeet load for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:22 pm 
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bronicadave has given you the best powder suggestion that exists. You already have the rest in your subject line. I regularly load 16.0 grs. of either H-110 or W-296, (same exact powder), with your listed other components. Performance is outstanding. Velocity is approx. 1300 FPS.

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Thanks so much Dave, those are great suggestions!
Took me a bit to figure out what you meant with the inner tube. I had to find my plastic bushing disc heh...Most of the time I actually have that entire plastic bushing holder and the top completely off the machine-- for steel shot reloading, I just leave a funnel sitting in the drop tube hole and dump hand-measured powder and shot in there.

Thx DLM, just saw your post when I hit submit on this.

I was hoping one of the powders was superior for not burning/crisping crimps, and also didn't migrate... haven't seen 410, hoped it was like all the other Alliant flake powders. Should be able to grab a pound of H110 or 296 either at Cabelas.


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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 am 
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I really like the MP-300 powder (16.4 gr) and the CB5050-410HS wads. It's a very fine grained powder like 296. I get a little migration on my Spolar, but not much. the 410 is by far my favorite shell to load on my machine.

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:07 am 
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I started loading the 410 3" hulls and 300MP is the best for them. I load the 2 1/2" AA410HS with 300MP because I all ready have it and it works great. Fit with the CB5050HS is prefect. Most use 296/H110 for the 1/2 ounce load. I would shoot for it knowing you could use 300MP if you had too for the same performance. 1300 fps for the 1/2 ounce load and 1225 fps for the 11/16 ounce load in a super X HS hull.

For hull life it is 296/H110 or 300MP (297). The others are toasters.


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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:44 am 
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296/110, 300MP, and A410 will ALL give you excellent reloads. I've used all of them with good results. Because I reload on a Spolar, I favor Alliant 410 because there is less powder migration with it than with either of the other 2 powders. All three powders will break Skeet targets with authority. If powder migration isn't a problem with the PW loaders, then shop price and don't give it a second thought. Just one man's opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:22 am 
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I use 300 MP powder and really like the way it preforms. From my stand point I did not think I needed a “Fast” load, so, I’m dropping 15.2 grains. It is probably around 1,225 FPS (I’ve not chronograph it yet), but it will really hammer targets on the skeet field, if I do my part.

I like to reload on my 366’s but I was not sure I would like the 410, soooo, I purchased a Mec 600JR. I use a PC (Red) Baffle and I have no noticeable powder leakage. So I cannot speak to your press.

I’m currently doing a test to see how many reloads I can get from the AAHS Hulls using CB5050HS wad, ½ oz. Mag #9 shot, Cheddite 209 primer and the 300mp powder. I will post my findings when finished.

It is fun to shoot that 410!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:36 pm 
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I use 296/110 now on a pw loader. I started out with a now hard to find wc820 pull down powder that was much much finer than even 296. I had to modify the tooling head to stop powder migration over the top of the bushing. I cut the o- ring groove 1/8" deeper and set the o-ring in and then an 1/8" thick nylon washer. The o-ring acts like a spring keeping the washer flat and pressed against the powder gear/bushing. Powder can't build up under the curve of the o-ring and force its way past the seal. I also flattened the powder gear and powder bushing so there is no step for powder or the washer to hang on.

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:53 pm 
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Primer wise, win 209
Wad, CB5050-410HS
Power, either 296 or H110 (they are both the same powder, hence St Mark #296) or 300-mp (its a St Mark derivative of #297 instead).

All of these 3 powder will get you to 1300~1350FPS in the 2 1/2" hull with the above components, and will allow the hulls to have the longest re-loadable lives as well.

Powders like lilgun are hard on hulls that the hull will not even hold up to say 10 reloads, and will not be able to get close to 1300fps before the load is well over working presssures.

The reason that you want the loads 1300~1350fps, is this prevents the pattern from hot spot centering when not pushed fast enough instead. Hence no even Win or Rem loads to the 1200fps marked on the box as 1200fps, but these factory loads are moving 1300FPS and higher instead.

As for your shot bushing, ream is so you getting a 226gr drop of shot that your using.

As for powder bushing, Hornady #291, and your going to ream it's ID to .296 'ish instead.

In PW bushings (same OD and height as the Hornady powder bushings), the 3a has an id of about .285", while the next size up B powder bushing has an id of .314" isntead. so the hornady #291 gets you closer, and less Id reaming to get the bushing to .296"~.298" isntead

Cross reference of PW bushing by their ID sizes.
Note, Hornady just uses the ID size as the bushing number isntead.
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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:42 pm 
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I have been loading H-110/296 in .410 for 40 years. Have never changed the settings on the loader once in all that time. No reason to change to any other powder. Good stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:56 pm 
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Dano523 wrote:
Primer wise, win 209
Wad, CB5050-410HS
Power, either 296 or H110 (they are both the same powder, hence St Mark #296) or 300-mp (its a St Mark derivative of #297 instead).

All of these 3 powder will get you to 1300~1350FPS in the 2 1/2" hull with the above components, and will allow the hulls to have the longest re-loadable lives as well.

Powders like lilgun are hard on hulls that the hull will not even hold up to say 10 reloads, and will not be able to get close to 1300fps before the load is well over working presssures.

The reason that you want the loads 1300~1350fps, is this prevents the pattern from hot spot centering when not pushed fast enough instead. Hence no even Win or Rem loads to the 1200fps marked on the box as 1200fps, but these factory loads are moving 1300FPS and higher instead.

As for your shot bushing, ream is so you getting a 226gr drop of shot that your using.

As for powder bushing, Hornady #291, and your going to ream it's ID to .296 'ish instead.

In PW bushings (same OD and height as the Hornady powder bushings), the 3a has an id of about .285", while the next size up B powder bushing has an id of .314" isntead. so the hornady #291 gets you closer, and less Id reaming to get the bushing to .296"~.298" isntead

Cross reference of PW bushing by their ID sizes.
Note, Hornady just uses the ID size as the bushing number isntead.
viewtopic.php?t=154477



Here are chrono results for my .410 load.

Load: 13.4 gr Lil Gun, AAHS hull, Win primer, CB wad

Chrono: Oehler 35P

Shotgun: K80 30" BBL with Briley Ultimate Ultralight tubes, .005 choke

Results: 10 shots, mean = 1304 fps, SD = 9.4

This is basically the load that Hodgdon states as 1200 fps - the Hodgdon load specifies the Win AAHS wad, as opposed to the CB clone, and calls for 13.5 gr of powder.

While I have no quarrel with those who love other .410 powders, I'm perfectly happy with this load. It patterns well, and hull life is good enough for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:26 pm 
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thx!


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 Post subject: Re: Best .410 powder for PW375, WinAAHS, CB5050-410HS, 1/2oz
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Interesting! I've been using 4227 for years and it hasn't been mentioned even once! I may have to change powders.




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