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 Post subject: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:38 am 
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Ive come across a krupp shotgun i need help ide tifying year of manufacture and any other information if its a damascus barrel for instance




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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:50 pm 
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Krupp is the name of the manufacturer of the steel (usually only the barrels) used in many shotguns, of German and many other country manufacture (including the U.S.), as it was (and still is) considered a very high quality steel.

For the manufacturer of the completed gun, good photos of the markings on the underside of the barrel chambers and of the the receiver (directly under the the chambers) and any other markings on the gun will help immensely.

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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:38 pm 
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Ive taken all those photos just looking to see how to post them


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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:56 pm 
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I took a lot of pictures hope they are good enough to identify this not sure i think i missed the jansen mark on the side of it it reads jansen sons and co


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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:12 pm 
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It was manufactured by Janssen Fils & Co. between 1910 and 1921 (there is no lettre annale)
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/ar ... e%20gb.htm
If the rib is marked Janssen Sons & Co. it was likely imported for the U.S. market post-WWI

It is a 12g with 2 3/4" chambers and does carry Smokeless Powder proof with quality Krupp barrels.

The bore is 18.4 = .724"
Left choke 17.4 = .685" or 039" constriction = full
Right choke 18.0 = .709" or .015" = light modified

It has obviously been neglected and should be evaluated by a double gun specialist smith before use.

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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:20 pm 
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Its been neglected for sure but its come to me a

And id like to restore it wether it be a wall hanget or a functional fire arm its pretty and the neglect is an easy fix some surface rust and some internal barell rust nothing a bit or brillo and some oil wont fix in a day which im well into now im going to keep it curiouse of the value tho
Question id like answered most is what shell can be run in it modern shell doesnt seem safe from all ive read here and other sites what can be fired safely


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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:19 pm 
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Wheresthebeef wrote:
Its been neglected for sure but its come to me a

And id like to restore it wether it be a wall hanget or a functional fire arm its pretty and the neglect is an easy fix some surface rust and some internal barell rust nothing a bit or brillo and some oil wont fix in a day


Well, some 0000 steel wool might work better than a Brillo pad for removing rust. Between the rust on the outside of the barrels and rust/corrosion/pitting in the bores it's very likely you have places where the barrel walls are too thin to shoot even with low pressure shells. If you don't send it to a professional who is knowledgeable about double guns and get it evaluated then you need to make it a wall hanger.


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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:35 am 
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It is (was) a nice shotgun by a known Belgian maker, with modern steel and chamber dimensions, and quite usable chokes. After a careful check and clean by a double gun specialist (possibly with attention to wood cracking at the top tang) there is no reason the gun couldn't be enjoyed. In light of the age I would limit the loads to 1 oz. at 1200 fps.

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 Post subject: Re: Krupp shotgun help
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Any ideas on the value?




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