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 Post subject: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loads.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:15 pm 
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Rogers Sporting Goods has Federal Heavyweight Turkeys loads on sale for $14.99 per box of 5 shells with FREE SHIPPING if you spend $100.00 or more.

https://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/amm ... gshok.html

The Federal Heavyweight 3-1/2" Turkey loads are 1-7/8 oz loads and Rogers has #5, #6 and #7 shot in the 3-1/2" loads.

If you take the shot out of these 3-1/2" shells you will get 9.37 ounces for $15.00, that comes to $1.60 per ounce or $25.60 per pound. BPI is charging $30.00 per pound if you buy 5 pounds, if you buy 1 pound it is $36.99 per pound PLUS shipping.

The 10 ga 3-1/2" shells have 2 oz of shot per shell for the same price so if you are just wanting shot you will get more shot buying the 10 ga shells.

I am going to reload a bunch of 1 oz FHW #5 shot loads for shooting geese.

It is pretty easy to take the shot out of the new Federal Heavyweight shells.

Rogers has 3" 1-5/8 oz Federal Heavyweight loads but they are also $14.99 per box so I ordered the 3-1/2" shells to get the 1-1/4 ounce more shot per box. It looks like they don't have any #5 shot in the 3" 1-5/8 oz loads or the 10 ga loads.

Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc shot out performs Lead shot, Hevi-Shot, Remington HD shot and HW13 shot that is 12g/cc shot by a huge margin.

Getting Federal Heavyweight shot shipped to your house for for just about $2.00 more per pound than HW13 shot is a great deal. Using Federal Heavyweight shot in 28 ga and 20 ga guns will make them out perform 12 ga and 10 ga guns shooting steel shot.




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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:48 pm 
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derbyacresbob,
Thanks for the tip. I’ve been looking for an excuse to try heavyweight type shot for upland hunting. I bought the necessary wads a couple of months ago so this is perfect. The game department just bought a large piece of ground they will be opening up this fall, and in Washington that mean nontoxic shot. I’m thinking 6’s in a 20 ga. should be the ticket for pheasant, 7 for Huns and chukar.

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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:56 pm 
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The Federal Heavyweight #7 shot will work just fine on pheasants. We have killed quite a few big ducks with the FHW #7 shot. The FHW #6 shot will work on geese it would be overkill on pheasants.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1250 fps lead #4 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 65.5 yards.
1250 fps FHW #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 73.1 yards

The FHW 15g/cc #7 shot will give you a little more range than lead #4 shot and many more pellets.

Federal advertises the 15g/cc Heavyweight shot as 35% denser than lead.


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:58 am 
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derbyacresbob,
Are you using ITX-13 data and substituting FWH shot ? I’d like to stay with 2.75 hulls in my 20ga. I have the BPI Advatage Manual for reference. I ordered enough to take advantage of the free shipping, got some of both, but favored 6’s over the 7’s. Will study the information share by Dave in Az as well.
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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:17 am 
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Thanks Derby. I have some on the way. Went 10 gauge because I want the hulls for an old SxS hammer gun.

Grandpa shooter- if you bought 10 gauge for the shot, I'd be interested in buying the hulls. No postage required as I'm just down the road.

Wish I'd seen this before ordering from BP. I just picked up a 5# bag at the post office yesterday.


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:56 am 
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The ITX-13 data will work. If you use the same data as Hevi-Shot or ITX-13 and use the same weight of Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc shot the pressure should be a little lower because the shot charge will be shorter. You may have to use a 1/8" felt or cork filler wad to take up some of the space that you will get by using the denser shot.

I had two different loads tested with HW13 shot and the same loads loaded with Federal Heavyweight shot tested. Both of the Federal Heavyweight shot loads had lower pressure than the HW13 shot loads had.

Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc #6 shot at 1250 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 90 yards.
Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc #6 shot at 1250 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 50.8 yards.
Steel BB shot at 1600 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 42.6 yards.

The Federal Heavyweight #6 shot will make a great goose load for 28 ga and 20 ga guns.


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:53 pm 
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I have 20 boxes of 10ga #7 coming myself, maybe tomorrow arrival.
Plan on selling the new/primed hulls and wads to someone. ;)
BTW... Hal4son gets my "best use of SEARCH function" and "Best Necro Post" award, and I'm pretty impressed with his ability to find the one perfect thread he had a question on ;) It's from another forum, but he may never go back there so... good thread on the NTC122 wads Hal4son! BTW, someone has posted an answer for you with pics from an NTC reloading book, check it out over at the refuge. ;)

As soon as I get that shot, I'll work on some 28ga and 20ga waterfowl loads for fit-- this stuff will be difficult to make good loads for without a ton of filler, which I dislike. I'm already pretty decided on:
1/2oz -- 110 pellets << more than enough for geese
3/4oz -- 164 pellets << plenty for med ducks
7/8oz -- 192 pellets << plenty for small ducks to range

Since a 28ga TPS wad perfectly holds 1oz of HW13, a full 1oz of HW15 wouldn't even fill it. So might end up using more pellets than I really want/need, just to fill up the wads. In 20ga I'll probably go with PT2090 for the smallest volume available to make good loads.

Last 2 weeks, I've been loading and chronographing 1/2oz and 5/8oz lead loads in 28ga and 20ga, so am pretty conversant right now on what it takes to fill up these small hulls and make a good load, and have some good powder amount vs. speeds datapoints for 11g/cc density... the 15g/cc density will result in lower pressures and higher speeds, which will be OK in both regards.


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:16 pm 
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LOL, I'll check it out. Some long dead posts need an old fashioned revival.
Shoot me a PM on those wads and hulls. We can work that out. {hs#


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:38 am 
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derbyacresbob,
Thanks for the advise, will look for data for 6’s to use for geese.
I’ve been searching around the net and reading links from Dave’s blog and found the idea of duplex loads combining steel (4’s) and FHW (7’s) intriguing. The idea being the steel filling out the pattern close in, < 40 yds and the FWS core give enough density for says 40-50 yd useage. Before I go down this road could either of you gentlemen provide any guidance? Again I’m mostly an upland guy thinking second shot for pheasant mostly. If this concept is viable I don’t mind shoot some patterns to prove it in my guns but don’t want to reinvent a broken wheel. I greatly appreciate your sharing the knowledge you’ve accumulated through your labors.

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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:34 pm 
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8 boxes of 10ga 7s coming! Thanks Bob!


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:52 am 
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Does anyone have a pellet count per ounce for the three HW15 shot sizes mentioned? I'm assuming the #7 are almost identical to what BP is selling as SpheroTungsten and they list it as 221 per ounce. How many pellets are in an ounce of HW15 #5 or 6?


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:19 pm 
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I counted 1 oz of FHW #5 shot yesterday and it was 131 pellets per ounce. I also measured the #5 and the #7 shot and they were right on what they are supposed to be.



KPY shows these numbers for 1 oz of HW 15, 15g/cc shot.
#7, 219 pellets per ounce
#6, 164 pellets per ounce
#5, 127 pellets per ounce


1-1/4 oz of steel #2 shot has 154 pellets, at 1600 fps #2 steel shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 50.1 yards

3/4 oz of 15g/cc FHW #7 shot has 164 pellets, at 1250 fps FHW #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 73.1 yards.


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 Post subject: Re: A good price for 15g/cc #5, #6 and #7 shot or Turkey loa
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:55 pm 
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It looks like the sale is over and the price per box of five 3-1/2" shells went up from $14.99 to $35.99. So the price per shell went back up $4.20 per shell.




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