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 Post subject: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2002 2:17 am 
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Now I know someone is going to say that they are made by the same company, but I would like to know the real difference. Both look the same, both have the same barrel length, both have 8 shot capacity. Is it or is it not the same gun? I have a feeling from reading Mossberg's web site that Maverick is a little cheaper in price and quality. I'm looking for a good home security shotgun and have been leaning toward the Mossberg home security, but when I saw the Maverick, It seemed like the same gun. Is Maverick the exact same gun or a cheaper version? <p></p><i></i>




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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2002 8:17 pm 
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yes they are both based on the same action, but mavericks have synthetic stocks and pump handles and i think they are single slide action compared to mossbergs dual slide, mavericks have a safety by the trigger where mossbergs have a top tang, mavs are good beaters, pay little, beat it around get a lot of use, though after several hundred rounds i find the action gets lose and rattles. for the price diff you might as well get a moss 500 70$ more for a superior firearm, if you want a cheap reliable home defense i would recommend a winchester defender, not fancy but they sure can take a beating. <p>http://www.omegaalliancegamers.com/</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub3.ezboard.com/uoatanthalas.showPublicProfile?language=EN>OA Tanthalas</A>  <IMG SRC="http://bestanimations.com/Flags/Canada/Canada-04.gif" BORDER=0> at: 7/6/02 8:49:31 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:04 pm 
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The difference is negligable. The Mossberg has the safety on top of the rear of the receiver. The Maverick has a crossbolt safety in front of the triggerguard (like a Winchester 1300). The Maverick has a few more plastic parts in the trigger assembly. Both shotguns have dual action bars. They are both made on the same assembly line in Eagle Pass, Maverick County, Texas. The 500's, 88's, and 590's are not made in Conneticut. The Maverick is a much better value for the money. They sell them locally (28-inch vent rib) at Academy Sports for $139.00, here in San Antonio. Nothing fancy, just a plain jane utilitarian shotgun. Hope this helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:24 pm 
I have been doing a bit of research about this topic, and based in other posts in this website, there is an important difference in quality between both shotguns. Mossberg parts are made almost all of forged steel, while Mav are made of cast iron. For me, this is a real important difference.
Does anybody there could verify this information about those guns???
Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:32 pm 
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I have examined both shotguns, and compared them side by side. Other than the fire control assemblies, both made of plastic trigger housings, and the position of the safety, I cannot see any difference. Let's see, both receivers are made of aluminum alloy, both have brushed steel chromoly barrels, both have machined steel bolts, both are availble with plastic stocks. I'm not totally clear on where the cast iron parts are on a Maverick shotgun. The only Mossberg shotgun product with a steel trigger guard, is the M590A1. Which is a mil-spec shotgun. I would have to agree that the 500, 590, and the Maverick 88 make extensive use of stamped parts in the trigger mechanism, and the carrier and shell stops, but no cast iron parts.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:08 pm 
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Another difference is that the dual bars on the Maverick 88 are pegged into the forearm. This won't make any difference once you replace the magazine tube and forearm with the Knoxx Sidewinder Tactical conversion kit.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:15 pm 
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Iggy: Thanks, I forgot about that. That feature further reduces the production costs. The pinned forearm feature, a simple crossbolt type safety on the triggerguard, and less hands-on metal preparation prior to bluing the steel is the prime reasons that they can build and sell them for $139.95. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see. These shotguns seem to fit the bill for a lot of people who use their shotguns as dove guns maybe one or two days a year. They are probably not the best bet for someone who does a lot of wing shooting. I am a Remington guy, but I can definately appreciate the niche in the market for a solid, $140 shotgun. I hope people buy them as fast as they can make them. Hopefully it will allow more folks to enjoy the shooting sports, by not costing them hundreds of dollars to get their foot in the door.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:28 am 
Well, that was what I understood from this post....

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1055

Now, I have only see the Mav 88, not the Mossberg 500, so that is the reason I am checking for info about its quality. In that post, they talk about the cast parts of Mav vs the forged ones in Mossberg.

Hope this will help.

Thanks a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:07 pm 
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Well, I'm not sure where our friend is getting his information, but Mossberg (the maker of Maverick Arms) doesn't cast barrels. There is not a single shotgun manufacturer, at least in this country who casts barrels. As for the receivers, it wouldn't make any difference whether an aluminum receiver was cast or forged aluminum. There is no stress from firing in the receiver. The bolt locks directly into the barrel extension, and absorbs the firing pressure. The big question is why would a manufacturer making two identical parts, cast one and forge the other. The costs associated with purchasing, maintaining and manpower to operate the two machines would be very cost prohibitive. Take what you read being posted here with a grain of salt. I guess that you could include what I post here as well. Some of these people are like the media, if they don't have the facts, they just make them up as they go along.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:30 pm 
Thanks DoorGunner......

In the End, I believe I will buy the 590......


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:04 pm 
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Kazz: I think that you will be more than happy with the 590. It is a great shotgun, hell for stout, and has a very good military track record. Good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:27 pm 
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Kazz, I just read the link you posted (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1055) and can only conclude that our friend "TheLibertarian" was smoking crack when he posted that. You can get the 590 if you want (I did), but if budget is a major issue, I wouldn't feel any less safe with a 500.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:49 am 
Hello all, my first post here. I was wondering where one could get a Maverick for $140. All the online places I've checked they're closer to $200. I'm looking at getting the 20" version. Also, do they come with a pistol grip along with the full stock from the factory or do you have to buy the pistol grip seperate? Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:51 am 
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Whoops, guess it helps if I actually log in, eh? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:37 pm 
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We have a chain of sporting goods stores here in Texas, called ACADEMY SPORTS & OUTDOORS. Their standard price for a Maverick 88 12 guage, 28-inch vent rib is $139.99. I know that they also have stores in Alabama, Mississippi, and I think Georgia. Their prices always significantly cheaper than Wally World, on every gun that they have. Hope this helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:47 pm 
They both suck!!!!
get an 870 when you want to get serious!

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:45 pm 
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This Remington versus Mossberg argument is as stoopid as Coke versus Pepsi. :? Mossberg versus Maverick, I understand. Only get a Maverick 88 if you intend to get a Knoxx Sidewinder Tactical conversion kit for it. Otherwise, get a Mozz.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:44 pm 
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I agree with you on the Rem vs. Moss perspective, but nobody has been able to come up with a valid reason why the Mossberg 500 is superior to the Maverick 88 for a home defense shotgun. It's purely an apple and oranges comparison. I totally disagree with hanging a bunch of worthless garbage on a home defense shotgun is a good idea, unless it's a surefire light.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:06 pm 
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The Knoxx Sidewinder Tactical conversion kit is not a bunch of stuff you "hang" on the gun. It makes it able to accept detachable mags. How can that possibly be bad? How?!

The Maverick 88 is the "economy" version of the Mossberg 500. The 500's forearm bars have a better attachment than the 88.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg vs Maverick Home security shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:22 pm 
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Let me see if I can grasp this concept....................
#1-An 8-shot Maverick 88 has insufficient magazine capacity, and/or a faulty ammunition feed system? So we will replace it with a system that has not been tried or proven in combat or the real world?

#2-In my 19 years as a law enforcement firearms instructor, I have never observed a single law enforcement officer who has had a tubular magazine related malfunction, or needed a detachable drum to stay in the fight. That would also include the 5-shot Remington 870. Firefights are generally over before you have time to expend 8 rounds into your threat.

#3-Pinning the forearm to the action bars is simply a cost saving measure, not a weakness in design.

#4-A defensive firearm is a tool, not platform to display your neat little accessories, like a curio cabinet. 99% of even moderately trained weapons operators cannot manipulate these cute little devices under the intense stress of a deadly force encounter, when your fine motor skills vanish.

#5-The more non-proven, aftermarket accessories that you attach to a weapon, the more weight and bulk that you add. Thereby reducing your ability to maneuver and fight with the weapon.

Quality made weapons, trained operators, and a survival mentality is what is required live another day. Leave the gimmicks to competitive shooters and hobby shotguns, not to a tool that you might use to defend yourself or your family.




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