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 Post subject: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:35 am 
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I would love to try using some all brass shotshells. It would be neat to try but I am not sure if anyone still even makes them. I shoot a lot of both 12gage and 410 and would love to try brass hulls in either. I probably would not shoot them a lot but it would be interesting to try. I hava a few hundred paper that I use occasionally for fun also.

I have heard you can make 410 brass from others. I have tried making 410 shell from 303 with little success. I have heard that you might be able to use Marlin 444. Has anyone tried this? What would be the best case to use.

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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:26 pm 
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They show up on e-bay from time to time!

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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:34 pm 
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All brass shotgun cartridges
Armour Brass Cartridges
PO box 165
Clocolan, South Africa
9745
Telephone#(+27)519430596
or 27519430596

http://www.ilesotho.com/armourbrass/company.html

Cowboy Brass
Peter Nadzeika
PO box 30532
New Port Richey, Florida
34656-0532
Phone#7275051173

I've talked to him on the phone~Real nice people
from what I could gather. I bought 6 boxes of
25 each of all brass 12Ga. for a vert decent price.
Ask him for a price because I don't know courrant
expenses for him but I do know you can't get them
any cheaper. I haven't been able too.
Hope this helps you.
Last Wolf
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BTW he said that he carries all gauges down to .410
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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:59 pm 
Next question: how to resize/reload this brass?

I have a couple of boxes of magtech (south aMerican, not AFrican) brass but haven't a clue how to reload it now.

Any leads?

Thanks.

normanbalog@comcast.net


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:28 pm 
MidwayUSA.com has the Brazilian (large rifle primer pocket) 2-1/2 inch brass shotshells:

Magtech Brass Shotshell Hulls 12 Gauge Box of 25
Product #: 554245
Status: Available
Retail Price: $12.99

Not to spoil anyone's ebay marketeering, but we should take advantage of NAFTA where we can.

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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:38 am 
yer good question norm i always wonded how you keep the shot in those brase cases . Do you crimp the brass over a over shot wad/card? if so does excessive crimping shorten the life of the brase? dose the brase crimp deform the shot at all? in a double bareled gun does the recoil of the first shot everlosen the over shot wad on the shell in the second barel? please excuss my ignourance but if you dont ask you dont learn ben


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:33 am 
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DO NOT crimp the brass! I use an overshot wad with a very thin bead of silicone sealant (caulk). It keeps out moisture and holds in the shot.

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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:13 pm 
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I talked to the manager/owner of circlefly wads and he said to use 10 Ga. over powder nitrocard then 1/2" fiber wad, shot or
buck shot (1 or 1 1/8Oz.) then seal with a 11 Ga. over shot card
that will concave into hull of the 12Ga. brass. Then seal with sodium silicone (water glass) or anything you feel works for you.
The reasoning behind the 10Ga. wads is the I.D. of the hull.
The only thing about roll crimping the brass is the brass hulls
will not load properly in any type of repeater shotgun such as a pump or auto unless they are roll crimp and then you still need an over shot card. I believe the BP people and CowBoy shooters use these most of the time: Cowboy shooters only use double
barrel actions for their brass hulls or so I've been told.
This is why I intend to use the brass 12Ga. rounds in a Browning
double.
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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:06 pm 
Midwayusa has 12 ga brass shotshell cases. They also have .405 Win. basic brass (3 1/4 in) which makes great .410 cases. The 405 rim may be a little thick if it is file it untill it headspaces properly in "your gun". I use my RCBS Rockchucker loading press with an RCBS trim die for .405 win. Trim cases to 3 in. Use large pistol primers. I use H 110 powder (15 gr), ClayBuster .410 wads and 3/4 oz of Laurance brand #8 Mag shot. I have a Lyman sizer and lubricator set up for sizing .44 mag cast bullits, I stick some thick paper in and use it as a punch and punch out some over shot wads, (a couple drops of DuCo cement holds them in place. I have not had to resize any cases but if i did the trim die would work fine as a sizing die. I have tried #6, #7 1/2, #8, And #9 shot The hard 8's are the best. Hope the info is helpful. <*\\\\><


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:25 pm 
Been doin some experimenting. With Magtech 12 ga shells, CCI mag LP primers, and 700X powder, I found ya need real tight wads to geta good burn. Best combo was all 10 ga wads. The 11 ga overpowder and fibre cushion wouldn't hold compression, and shot too low pressure with 1 ounce loads.

Also, you MUST use 10 ga overshot cards (circlfly site recommends em in the narrative, but lists 11 ga on the page, dummies). The 11 ga are about .010 smaller than the shell and almost impossible to reliably seal. 10 ga will fit snug, and a dollop of elmers (yellow carpenters) glue or silicone holds em nice.


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:32 pm 
Oh, almost forgot, unless ya step on em, they don't need resizing. But if they do get squashed, anyone with a drill press and a fly cutter can make a sizer. Cut a hole in a plate of 1/4 or 3/8 steel, radius one side to ease starting the shell. First use a dowel to mash em back close, then pound em in and back out with a rubber mallet. Viola, resized.

BTW, reloading tools consist of a dowel with a cup drilled out of one end to use to press in primers with the quill of the drill press pushing the dowel, the primer started by simply placing the shell over it on the drill press table with the dowel in the shell. Run the quill down and push em in.

This same dowel and a wood ball handle, and a bathroom scale are for wad compression. Put shell upright on scale, press dowel until ya get the scale to read at your desired comressin (I use 50 lbs).



Depriming is a dowel with a chunk of old allen wrench sticking out one end, and some tape wrapped round the dowel so it fits loose in the case (aids starting the pin in the flash hole). Drill a hole in a block of wood for an anvil, place shell upright on anvil with pinned dowel "decapper" inside, and whack with mallet.

This ain't rocket ships :)


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:57 pm 
davidbmatthews wrote:
Midwayusa has 12 ga brass shotshell cases. They also have .405 Win. basic brass (3 1/4 in) which makes great .410 cases. The 405 rim may be a little thick if it is file it untill it headspaces properly in "your gun". I use my RCBS Rockchucker loading press with an RCBS trim die for .405 win. Trim cases to 3 in. Use large pistol primers. I use H 110 powder (15 gr), ClayBuster .410 wads and 3/4 oz of Laurance brand #8 Mag shot. I have a Lyman sizer and lubricator set up for sizing .44 mag cast bullits, I stick some thick paper in and use it as a punch and punch out some over shot wads, (a couple drops of DuCo cement holds them in place. I have not had to resize any cases but if i did the trim die would work fine as a sizing die. I have tried #6, #7 1/2, #8, And #9 shot The hard 8's are the best. Hope the info is helpful. <*\\\\><



do you use mag primer s with h110


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:00 pm 
davidbmatthews wrote:
Midwayusa has 12 ga brass shotshell cases. They also have .405 Win. basic brass (3 1/4 in) which makes great .410 cases. The 405 rim may be a little thick if it is file it untill it headspaces properly in "your gun". I use my RCBS Rockchucker loading press with an RCBS trim die for .405 win. Trim cases to 3 in. Use large pistol primers. I use H 110 powder (15 gr), ClayBuster .410 wads and 3/4 oz of Laurance brand #8 Mag shot. I have a Lyman sizer and lubricator set up for sizing .44 mag cast bullits, I stick some thick paper in and use it as a punch and punch out some over shot wads, (a couple drops of DuCo cement holds them in place. I have not had to resize any cases but if i did the trim die would work fine as a sizing die. I have tried #6, #7 1/2, #8, And #9 shot The hard 8's are the best. Hope the info is helpful. <*\\\\><



do you use mag primer s with h110 is this with 1/2 or 11/16 oz


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:26 pm 
Homer;
Regarding the brass 410's from 405 casings.
I use large pistol primers (wlp)
H110 powder (15gr)
Claybuster wad (pink) made for 1/2 oz shot
3/4oz Lawrance brand Mag #8 shot
now for the why's
1. The wlp primers do not require as strong a blow from the firing pin to set it off. Also its the primer i use in my .44 mag to light the same powder.
2. Claybuster pink .410 wad was all I had and it worked.
3. I use Maginum shot for two reasons
1.Maginum shot is harder, so (in theory) you'll have
less shot deforimation (flat sides)
2. Maginum shot is harder becouse it has antimony added
to it to make it harder--antimony weighs less than lead-
So-A lead shot of a given diameter will weigh less-Therefore -3/4 oz of hard shot will have MORE shot than 3/4 oz of chilled shot. (actually comes out to about 10 more shot per round) in a 410 those 10 make a difference.
AND FINALLY--this load patterns great in my gun and the brass , well I don't know, I haven't wore any out.


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:04 pm 
I live in Northern Ireland and have used a 410 for many years I reload the 45 long Colt and the 45/70 Gov. both with 45/357 sabots I use blackpowder in the 45/70 and sevral others in the 45 long colt they both work well


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:48 am 
Feb. 2004
Hi,
In response to your question about Brass shotgun shells, I have a good friend who is a professional hunting guide in South Africa, and he uses a 12 ga. magnum pump shotgun with brass shelled 1 1/2 oz. hardened slugs in a rifled barrel (Winchester, I think) as his "Safety Gun" when in the field with clients. He has a local company in S.Africa load these shells especially for him and a few of his friends. According to him there is no better close-range medicine for the dangerous game there, and he seems totally happy with this load. This may be just the ticket for dangerous game in our northern provinces too. Good luck with your search.
Sgt.1000.


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:21 pm 
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http://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/index.html

This company has the cases and loading instructions on their site


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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:54 pm 
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mcbirch wrote:
I would love to try using some all brass shotshells. It would be neat to try but I am not sure if anyone still even makes them. I shoot a lot of both 12gage and 410 and would love to try brass hulls in either. I probably would not shoot them a lot but it would be interesting to try. I hava a few hundred paper that I use occasionally for fun also.

I have heard you can make 410 brass from others. I have tried making 410 shell from 303 with little success. I have heard that you might be able to use Marlin 444. Has anyone tried this? What would be the best case to use.

Thanks
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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:57 am 
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The ones on the right were made from .303 British cases. The cases must be annealed. The odd shape is because the head of the case does not blow out when fire forming. They work, though you must be careful about the rim, which is smaller than a .410 hull.
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 Post subject: Re: All brass shotshells, where to find (410 and 12ga.)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:13 pm 
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