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 Post subject: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:13 pm 
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howdy
Iam new to the forum and I wanted to ask about a shot gun that was given to me by my wifes grandfather.
It is a 16 gauge bolt action that he bought bach in the 50's from Sears and Robuck. Every one who I have talked to has never heard of a bolt ation shot gun.So how common are they and why is it such a pain to find shells for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:31 pm 
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Bolt actions were very common at one time. 16 gauge fell out of favor over the last 40 years, but is starting to make a come back, and shells are available. Some Sears 12 gauge bolt action shotguns were recalled, see http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=116376&TICK=SEARS&STORY=/www/story/03-06-1999/0000884021&EDATE=Mar+5,+1999


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:01 pm 
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No less than 6 or 7 US companys made hundreds of thousands of them from 1920 to date.. The Sears in question was likely made by Stevens .. Bushrod


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:42 pm 
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cool thanks for the info.
another thing I noticed about it was it kicked like a mule compared to my mossberg 500 12 gauge. is this just because it is a bolt action or do all 16's kick like this one?

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:44 pm 
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my bad double post :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:49 pm 
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Shouldn't be that much difference in recoil. You have to take into consideration the load you are shooting in each of the gauges and how well the gun fits and the weight of the guns. A lot of those old bolt action guns had a lot of drop in the stock so the bolt would clear the stock when the bolt was open, and would kick more.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:56 pm 
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well comparing the two side by side the 16 feels like a lead pipe compaired to the mossberg. Also the mossberge was one of those with the 18.5" barrel and synthetic stock. I have not measured the 16, but it looks like a the barrel might be 30"?
and as far as the shot both where reg. game loads.
That reminds me when I took my sister shooting we started with light target loads and the I switched on her to heavy game loads.
So where can I find out about shooting clubs in N. Texas?

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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There are several in your area. See http://p202.ezboard.com/fshooterspagetxforumsfrm1 and click on under Club/Range info, click on Texas. It's divided alphabetically into 2 parts and see what is in your area. I'd recommend Elm Fork, and if you get south of Ft. Worth, try Alpine.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:40 pm 
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The gun you have is most likely a J.C. Higgins, made by High Standard. There was a recall a few years back on the 12ga model, but you shouldn't have any trouble with the 16. The gun sold for about $30 in 1955.

I have one that was my Dad's first gun, then mine, then my son's and hopefully, one day my Grandson will pull the trigger. 16ga shells are not all that hard to find. You can usually find them at Dick's or WalMart at the beginning of the season. It's best to stock up then.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:12 pm 
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I have one that either came from Sears or one of the other department / catalog stores - and mine is labeled westernfield. I first started shooting it in the late 50's as a young kid - and still have it.

16ga shells are pretty easy to find for it.

The reason it kicks a little is because the gun only weighs about 3 lbs - and the lighter the gun, for any given load, the more recoil. But personally I don't think it's a big deal.

On the plus side it's so light that it's easy to carry all day in the field for grouse or whatever you want. I think mine has a full choke.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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i have a bolt action 16 gauge from sears i'm not sure if it is a jc higgins but it probally is.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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There is a JC Higgins 16 gauge bolt action in the closet up at my home farm that is a hand me down from one of my uncles.

I shot it a few times.

This particular one has a cracked stock in the grip area, and has had it for as long as I have ever seen it.


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BigJimP wrote:
The reason it kicks a little is because the gun only weighs about 3 lbs - and the lighter the gun, for any given load, the more recoil.


I, too, have a 16 gauge bolt action J.C. Higgins shotgun and it certainly weighs a lot more than 3 pounds. :shock: :shock: In fact, it weighs pretty close to SEVEN pounds.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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I dont believe there was ever a full sized 16 bore made that weighed as little as 3 pounds, Bushrod


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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Westernfield = Montgomery Wards.Butch


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:55 am 
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Check the chamber length!
I'm not sure of the manufacturer or year of the gun, but if the recoil is noticable, one thing you should be sure to check is the length of the chamber! Some of the older 16ga. guns came with a 2,9/16in. chamber and if you shoot a 2,3/4in shell there will not be enough room for the crimp to open fully causing lots of pressure and thus recoil and possibly a dangerous situation.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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Guess the chamber could be the older style, but if it was bought New in the 50's I'd doubt it..


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:06 pm 
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MTmag wrote:
Check the chamber length!
I'm not sure of the manufacturer or year of the gun, but if the recoil is noticable, one thing you should be sure to check is the length of the chamber! Some of the older 16ga. guns came with a 2,9/16in. chamber and if you shoot a 2,3/4in shell there will not be enough room for the crimp to open fully causing lots of pressure and thus recoil and possibly a dangerous situation.


so how do I measure to see what size sheels.
I have only shot it once and 2 3/4 shells seemed to be ok.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:55 pm 
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Sorry, I missed the bought in the 50's part. If it is a 1950's gun it should be 2,3/4in, I believe most manufacturers went to the longer chamber sometime in the 1930's. Your gun should have the chamber length marked somewhere on the side of the barrels though. I have an old JC Higgins 20 ga, bolt action that was the first gun I learned to shoot with. Dad had the stock shortened to fit me and also had the barrel cut down a few inches, it now throws a pattern about 3 feet across at 20 yrds. I'm still fond of that old gun even though I don't shoot it much anymore. If your just target shooting use some lighter loads to avoid the recoil, or for field use get a good recoil pad.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge bolt ation
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Try Academy for 16 ga shells. They usually have Federal dove loads in the fall at close to the price of the 12 and 20's.



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