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 Post subject: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:31 pm 
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simple question really. 12 gauge SxS long or short, which has more recoil??


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Both are the same.

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Shells used, gunfit, gun weight, recoil pad ( or lack thereof ), and make of shotgun used can make a difference.

Typically, the longer barrel SxS will weigh more and have less perceived recoil.

Your mileage may vary.....

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the gun im looking at is the stoeger coach gun.


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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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Barrel length has very little (or nothing noticable) to do with recoil.

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Equismith wrote:
Shells used, gunfit, gun weight, recoil pad ( or lack thereof ), and make of shotgun used can make a difference.

Typically, the longer barrel SxS will weigh more and have less perceived recoil.

Your mileage may vary.....


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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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Long barrels have more recoil if the guns weigh the same. That is
because they produce more velocity. Usually though adding barrel
length also adds a slight bit of weight and extra weight reduces
recoil. So you have to weigh the added weight against the
added velocity to figure out whether or not it increased recoil.
The ultimate length of barrel for low recoil is a barrel one inch long
or less. Unfortnately these barrels also produce very little muzzle velocity.


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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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One factor that has been forgotten in the above posts is MUZZLE BLAST! A short barrel produces more, and that SEEMS to make a gun recoil more (or more unpleasant). It is just another small factor contributing to what we experience as kick.

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long barrel is heavier,


long barrel has more FPS payload moving fast, but when it leaves the pressure in the barrel is less, than if it were a shorter barrel, it would have higher PSI


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What about balance? The Stoeger Uplander has barrels of 24, 26, or 28 inches while the Coach Gun has 20 inch barrels. That puts more weight forward for the long gun, which would seem to counteract muzzle jump better than the short barrel gun. I don't know, but seems like there's a lot of variables and not all point to one gun or the other giving the worse perceived recoil.

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thanks, you guys are very helpfull, the reason i was asking is because im only 14 and yesterday i got to shoot my dads SxS laurona 12 gauge, had a blast, we shot 2 3/4 #4 shot shells and that was fine recoil-wise, but when i tryed the 3" magnum buck shot, i scared the hell out of myself, the muzzle jumped like a foot up in the air, and my shoulder got kinda beat up. i was at the local gun shop and my dad is gonna let me pick out one gun that i want (as long as its reasonably priced) and he'll buy it for me. i saw a used stoeger coach gun, 12 gauge SxS, i was just curious if it would kick more than my dads 30" barrel gun. thanks for helping with my problem.

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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br, If you intend to hunt you may be at a disadvantage with a 20-inch barrel(s). As cool-looking as the Coach gun may be, it's not very practical for anything other than cowboy action shooting. You would probably be better served by using your "opportunity" to get a gun that is more versatile. Take your time and think ahead. Good luck,


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Many of these responses are hilarious!


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Actually, if two guns weigh the same, but have different barrel lengths, and shoot the same load at the same velocity, the true recoil produced would be the same!

Barrel length doesn't have a THING to do with it!

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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i already have a rem 870 with 28" barrels, i was just looking for something fun to shoot.


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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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BobK wrote:
Actually, if two guns weigh the same, but have different barrel lengths, and shoot the same load at the same velocity, the true recoil produced would be the same!

Barrel length doesn't have a THING to do with it!

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The reason I said "very little" is because a typical 2 3/4 inch load needs anywhere between 10 and 14 inches to burn all of it's powder. A barrel length of less than that wouldn't afford enough time to burn all the powder. Less powder burnt=less recoil. (if you could even notice it)

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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Anyone know the mathematical equation for recoil?

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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Found it - I thought they still used gunweight in the equation, however minimal the change it creates.

http://www2.rpa.net/~bologna/formulas.htm

• Recoil Energy
1. Calculate recoil impulse:
I=(WB * VB + 4000 * WC)/225400
Where WB=wt of bullet in grains, VB=velocity of bullet in fps, and WC is the wt of the powder charge in grains. (I is in lbs/sec)
2. Calculate the velocity of the recoiling gun:
VG=32.2 * I / WG
Where WG is the wt of the gun in lbs., 32.2 is the acceleration due to gravity, and I is the recoil impulse from calculation #1
3. Calculate the free recoil energy of the gun in ft lbs.
EG=WG * VG^2 / 64.4
example: 120 grain bullet with muzzle velocity of 2750 fps using a powder charge of 41 grains. Gun wt is 6 lbs.
1. I=(120*2750 + 4000*41)/225400=2.1917 lbs/sec
2. VG=32.2*2.1917/6=11.7621 fps
3. EG=6*11.7621^2 / 64.4=12.8895 ft lbs

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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br, If you intend to hunt you may be at a disadvantage with a 20-inch barrel(s). As cool-looking as the Coach gun may be, it's not very practical for anything other than cowboy action shooting. You would probably be better served by using your "opportunity" to get a gun that is more versatile. Take your time and think ahead. Good luck,


I disagree. I've had one for years. It was my first and only shotgun for many years. I used it for everything from clays to rabbits to doves.

It's all in how well you use it, bro. A tool is only as good as the craftsman using it. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: which has more recoil, long barrel or short?
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The only difference I have noticed is the noise. The shorter you go the louder it seems to get. {RO


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