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 Post subject: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:47 pm 
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Fellas,

What are the old shotshell lengths in 12 ga ?

Was 2 5/8" the only one before the most popular 2 3/4" length? Maybe the 10 ga and other gauges were different.

I believe the British use a 2 1/2" length shell but maybe they have switched to the 2 3/4" in recent years.

Don McCullough


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 Post subject: Re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:46 am 
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Don, From the beginning of shot shell history there has been dozens of chamber legnths offered. At the turn of the century, one catalog offered 2", 2 1/2", 2 /7/8", 2 9/16", 2 3/4", 3", 3 1/4", 3 1/2" and 4" shotshells in various gauges from 9mm to 2 gauge.

They were many in the market and most shells were sold empty to be loaded as the shooter wanted. Today,companies like RMC will make shells in most gauges and legnths as are needed. I even reciently saw offerings for 2 1/2 gauge loaded BP blanks ( something that I had never heard of).

English shotgun makers made the 12ga 2" & 2 1/2" shells for their lightweight game guns and continue to make these guns today with the 2 1/2" chamber being the most popular.

All of these old shells were loaded with fiber and card wads and used black powder,cordite,semismokless and Nitro powders. The cases were usually brass and paper but all brass,all zinc and even aluminum were also seen.

By the end of WWII most American shotshells in 12 ga were 2 3/4" with the exception of the 3" shells that were primarly only used for waterfowling. The 3" 12ga shell was firmly estabilished here when Winchester came out with the Model 12 12ga chambered for the Super-X load in 1935. The Brits and French still hold onto the 2 1/2" case for their lightweight SxS guns but most guns being made there are 2 3/4" or 3" these days.

I learned long ago that there is almost no chamber legnth and gauge combination that has never been tried.

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 Post subject: Re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:55 am 
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I brought a couple boxes of Eley paper case 2 1/2" shells last night,I think this was the standard length in Britain but not sure about the present day,however they still make them in quantity.Most shells that have been made in this country,were 2 3/4" inch.


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 Post subject: Re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:06 am 
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Hi Don, Over here in England a lot of our older side by side game guns were built to fire a 2 1/2" shell some even fire a 2" shell.

there was a time many years ago when very light game guns were all the rage and 2 1/2" guns were very common.

something you may find interesting is a lot of shells we use now are 67mm which works out to about 2.63". 99% of the cartridges I use for general shooting ie rabbits, pigeon, game etc are 67mm. I'd stick my neck out and say this is the most commonly used shell size.

The true 2 3/4" and 3"shells being used mainly for waterfowl (or wildfowling as we call it) and foxes.

A typical game load being 28 - 32 gm #6 shot (usa #7) and maybe 32gm #5 (usa #6) for late season high driven pheasant.

28gm- 1oz, 32gm -1 1/8oz
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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:52 pm 
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I just bought an old Thomas Turner 12Ga handmade English side by side with 2 5/8" chambers. I'm looking for a good source of 2 1/2" or 2 5/8" light quail loads (7 1/2, 8 or 9 USA or English equivalent). Anybody got a source? I went to Midland, but they only have heavy loads.

Dave Miller


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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:22 pm 
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Back in the late seventies a shop here because the price was right was bringing in 12 ga 2 9/16 Ely shells. I have seen them off and on sense then.

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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:02 pm 
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Big AZ Al: I too live in pima county and whould like to see your work i have a very old fox that i whould like re-blued and maybe some case color added thanks.


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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:13 pm 
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Try RST:They have a website. RD RST Shotshells


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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:56 pm 
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Polywad has 2 and 2-1/2, both for modern and vintage guns in various shot sizes and pressures


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 Post subject: "British" cartridges 2 1/2" etc.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:19 am 
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Gents,

Those like cdrmiller looking for 2 1/2" and other "British" loads should check out Kent Gamebore. http://www.firearmservice.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page19.html

Gamebore is / was a UK outfit purchased by Kent; they have a well deserved reputation for quality loads, you won't go far wrong with them.

Eug


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 Post subject: re: 2 5/8" shotgun shell
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:59 am 
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Your shells can be found at RST, Eley and poly wad

http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/

http://www.rstshells.com/

http://www.eley.co.uk/


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