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 Post subject: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:11 pm 
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I'm looking for a reliable, relatively inexpensive semi auto in 20 gauge for upland hunting. I've had my eyes on an 1187, or perhaps an 1100, but very few in good condition seem to show up used, and the new ones are a bit out of my price range (< $600).

How do the Winchester 1400's compare to Remington semis? All I need is a reliable semi that hits where I point it.

I hear lots of great things about 1100/1187's, and see almost none used. By contrast, I hear little about 1400's, and see quite a few.

That tends to make me think they are inferior, but maybe all that's going on is Remington snob appeal.

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:52 pm 
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I happen to own a 20 gauge standard weight model 1100 and a 12 gauge model 1400. The Remington is the better made gun. The receiver and all moving parts are steel and the wood is nice. The model 1400 has an aluminum receiver and a plastic bolt release. Those items don't necessarily make the model 1400 bad. For upland hunting, the model 1400 is adequate and lighter in weight. My model 1100 is a skeet version and has thousands of rounds through it. I ocassionally shoot trap or SC with the 1400 so it only has a few hundred rounds through it. Both guns are reliable and function without problems. Another consideration is spare parts, Remington lists all model 1100 parts from their web site, plus there are a lot of aftermarket parts available. The model 1400 has been discontinued, so spares may be harder to get. However, for occasional use, spare parts may not be required.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:10 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:15 pm 
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No comaparision--Get the 1100


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:10 pm 
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Last year I was considering all my options on getting a used gun, or new, my budget was 500. I researched all the semi-auto models I thought I would be interested in for a solid month, I poured over everything I could find about Stoeger, Browning, Beretta, Benelli, Mossberg, Remington, Winchester, and a few other imports I won't mention. Then I went to my local gun store and handled everything I could in used within my budget. I made one tiny mistake. I asked to see all the new guns on display.

Believe me when I say this place has at least 300 shotguns on display. Every manufacturer was represented except Stoeger. The last one I asked to see looked incredible. This gun, with the perfect feel, and fit for me, was something else. Great looks and a WOW appeal. It was over my budget by 139.00 and it was new to boot. I just could not get over how well this gun handled.

Now, I'm at that point in life when you start thinking about buying things that will last the rest of your life, even if it costs a bit more up front. So I decided to wait till I had the extra cash, which took about two months. I went back and bought the 11-87 Premier. It's just a bit lighter than the 1100 I had years before, but it felt better to me. I would not hesitate to buy either the 1100 or 11-87 new, or a used one in real good condition.

As for Winchester it has turned a page in history, and a new chapter is waiting to be written by Browning.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:31 pm 
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I currently own a 1400 Ranger 20ga. The gun shoots fine with no problems and is like new in box condition for a 20 year old firearm. I would trade this shotgun in a heartbeat for a 1100 in the same or close condition. I purchased this autoloader because it was only $270 and I didn't own a Winchester... The shotgun does shoot well though. I would like to get a 1100 in a 16ga down the road.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:03 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:50 am 
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One of my first guns was a Win. 1400(12 ga.) For the price I paid it was really an OK gun. Nothing fancy, but it worked well until you took a dunking- then powder residue would gum up and it would refuse to cycle. Still, I shot ducks and pheasants with it for nearly 15 yrs. Then I picked up a little Rem. LT20 magnum-it was a real sweet handling little auto-light, compact, easy to shoot. I think I would definately go with the Rems. If you have to save a little longer to get one, do it. Nothing is more expensive then buying shotguns that you are just settling for. You usually end up buying the one you really wanted down the road. Might just as well be shooting it-life is short! JMO


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:34 am 
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Had two 12 gauge Model 1400's in the past.Trouble with both of them.The first I returned to the store for another Model 1400.The second Model 1400 did not work right either.Returned it for repair.After I got it back I sold it as fast as I could.
Have a 28 gauge Model 1100 Remington.In my opinion the 1100 is by far the better shotgun.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:38 pm 
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Hello NB: Well the Remington 1100/1187 hands down over the 1400!! Remingtons are still in production and if you haven't heard Winchester closed it's doors so any major parts will soon be hard to get.

I love Winchesters however after 1964 the guns they made in New Haven except the Super X I (only 12 ga.) just aren't worth it!!

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:51 pm 
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only winchesters wrote:
I love Winchesters however after 1964 the guns they made in New Haven except the Super X I (only 12 ga.) just aren't worth it!!


....and maybe the Y Series M12's :?: (I don't own one but came close to buying a new one in the 1970's) :wink:

I came into trapshooting about 5 years after the infamous events of 1964 and experience back then agrees with your appraisal.

I fully admit I have a distinct Remington bias, though IMHO there are years of production of them I wouldn't buy (based on experience, I don't care for the late 1980's guns) and there are some Rem.'s I will not buy :shock: . However, I would select the 1100 without a 2nd thought or concern for my own use.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:11 pm 
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Hi claydust: I was speaking of the standard production guns made in New Haven. Of course the "Y Md 12" was assembled in the Custom Shop along with the Md 21 for about another 20 years. I do own a couple of "Y's", while a nice gun, they don't compare to the ones made prior to 1960 Of course any Md 21 is a pleasure to shoot, much less own!

Winchesters claim to fame was "levers and pumps", they really did have a horrible track record in the semi-auto shotgun market. IMHO only the Md 50 (pre-64) was there best try, Post-64 the Super X I.

Remington has been in the gas operated semi market for a long time, (yes I've owned a few, )3 in. Mags in both 12 and 20ga.) for the price they are worth the money, new or well take care of used guns.

Regards to all!

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:25 pm 
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When a guy whose moniker is "only winchesters" advises you to get a Remington, I think I'd be convinced....

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:35 pm 
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This is a bit off topic but I wanted to add;

only winchesters wrote:
Winchesters claim to fame was "levers and pumps"


Yeah, its too bad they couldn't have reserected this image.

Pedersoli in Italy seems to be able to produce an updated Colt Lightning pump rifle and there must be a market;

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/default ... ng&lang=en

Too bad it could not have been done, in the U.S., with some classics. Of course, it is much easier wished for than done and they would not be cheap, introducing a cycle of "high prices due to low volume and low volume due to high prices". :cry:

They did have their tough time with the autoloaders though, starting with the 1911 and the M40.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:45 pm 
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Without hesitation, go with the Remington. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:29 pm 
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It appears to be unanimous.

Now, just today, I looked at 2 Beretta 390's in 20 gauge. Each in near-new condition, both with synthetic stocks. I admit to a bias in favor of wood, but either of these would be at least $200 less than a new 1187 Premier.

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:21 pm 
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The 1100 created a revolution when it came out because it was one of the first semi-autos to work well.


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 Post subject: re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:45 pm 
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 Post subject: re: Remington 1187/1100 vs. Winchester 1400
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:12 pm 
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A friend once told me that the 1400 was absolutely the best boat anchor he ever had! :roll:
His favorite shotguns were Beretta a 302 and a 1100 upland special both 12 bore.


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