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 Post subject: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:02 am 
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Hello,

I'm looking for a 28 gauge autoloader for fun and to introduce a couple of new female shooters to some informal clay shooting. Hunting is not a priority, it'd be just for clay targets. For reference :?: I have 4 12 gauge shotguns including a 391 which I love. If they made it in 28 I wouldn't be asking these questions.

Opinions please on the Remington 1100 Sporting 28 and the Franchi 48 AL. The Franchi is light, 5.4 lbs which would be nice.

Which one would be more reliable with inexpensive (relatively) shells like "Rio" shells from Natchez? (I don't reload, yet)

Is the gas operation of the 1100 a better bet in this regard than the recoil operation of the AL?

I've already read enough bad about the Charles Daly to want to stay away from it. Any other autos I should be considering? Anything else I should know?

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:06 am 
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Wartdog1, just curious but why a 28ga? I'm no expert but I believe I would opt for a 20ga. Either the Remington or Franchi will still be light on recoil in 20ga, shells are much cheaper and 28ga is a very tough gauge for a beginner to get consistant hits with. New shooters will have more fun if they are breaking more targets. Just my 2 cents. That being said I own several 1100s & 11-87s (no 28ga) and love them. I have no experience with Franchis but the get rave reviews & have a staunch following here, either should serve you well. Good luck

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:55 am 
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(Sigh) The previous reply had to come from a guy with no real experience with a 28.

If you use all of the gauges, the 28 is an ideal gauge to start a new shooter with. It's as easy to hit with as a 20, and all my experience says patterns slightly better than a 20. Patterns tend to be slightly more uniform

I use my 28s for skeet and Sporting Clays, and my scores stay constant with my 20s and my 12s.

(My gun count is 3 12 ga.,2 20 ga., 3 28 ga., and I use them accordingly.) I am NOT prejudiced about a particular gauge, but I am aware of their limitations!!

The downside of 28 autos is they toss empties a LOOOONG way, and most of us 28 ga. shooters are reloaders.

I have an 1100 in 28 ga. and love it. It comes with 4 Briley choke tubes. (But I normally shoot my O/U or SXS as it is easier to get my empties!)

The 1100 gets used on my "end of life" reloads.

While I don't own a Franchi Al-48, I know several guys that do, and they love theirs, too!

Only thing about the Franchi, is light weight = more recoil for the new shooter. With mild-kicking 28s it shouldn't be much of a problem, but something to keep in mind.

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 Post subject: Re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:05 am 
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wardog1 wrote:
I'm looking for a 28 gauge autoloader for fun and to introduce a couple of new female shooters to some informal clay shooting.


The 1100 Sporting 28 was chosen for use at the Remington Shooting School for this purpose.

This was because it was easy for them to handle, effectively broke the targets on the skeet fields and sporting clays set-ups, gave neglegable recoils and I expect, did not offer the opportunity for a 12/20 mix-up (when we were there, you could use 12's or 28's).

The idea at the school was that the 28's were to be used by the "smaller people" but the instructors often had to remove them from the 6' - 4", 230 # guys, who couldn't seem to put them down, and redistribute them to the younger and smaller statured shooters.


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 Post subject: Re: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:06 am 
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The following reply comes from a guy with plenty of real experience with a 28.

The 28 is probably the ideal gauge on clay targets under 30 yds. - light recoil, breaks targets with authority, a pleasure to shoot.

Since you're focused on semi-auto's (BTW, a very good choice to introduce newbies to clay targets), the same can be said for the 20 gauge. A slightly heavier 20 ga. Remington 1100 will pretty much take care of the little additional recoil of the 20 vs. the 28 ga. In addition, light, low recoil factory 20 ga. ammo is now available from Remington and others if desired.

IMO a sub-6 lb. gun is just too light to be consistant and effective on clay targets. Any additional weight translates into reduced recoil and a smoother, more controlled swing. Most women and kids shooting skeet competitively can and do easily handle at least a 9 lb. tubed O/U. Many of the big boys are now shooting 10-11 lb. guns.

Unfortunately, 28 ga. shells cost at least double that of 12's and 20's when purchased in bulk ($7+ vs. $3.50 a box), and approaching $9 a box in smaller quantities. Reloading can minimize the difference over time.

As said, for some reason 28 ga. semi-autos seem to launch hulls into the next zip-code. Not true with the other gauges.

Most serious skeet shooters love the 28 ga. (I do), but for your intended use, I'd vote in favor of a 20 ga. 1100.

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:19 am 
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I shoot a lot of 4 guage events and when I practice I generally use the 28 guage, the 410 a lot when I want to really make it hard on myself. The 28 is of course my favorite round, but I reload for it too so I can make shells for less than I can buy 12 and 20 Promo loads. If you are not a reloader, the 28 might not be the best choice for economy. I also had a Franchi a couple of years ago and would use it for Quail hunting in AZ. It was a 20 guage and was it ever a pleasure to carry compared to anything else I owned. The only problem is the weight, if you are going to carry a lot and shoot a few, the Franchi is wonderful, but if you are shooting a lot and carring little it can be a bit punishing for some. In my opinion I would consider a 20 Remington 1100 or 11-87 as long as you are NOT a reloader. If you do reload I would still get the Remington for the recoil reducing qualities but in 28.


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:24 am 
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I love the look, finish and feel of the Franchi, but he guys touting the Remington and especially the 20 ga have very valid points. IF the ONLY purpose is what you described, probably the Remington IS your best bet, in 20 ga, but that isn't what I would buy, but then again I already have 3 28 ga and 5 20 ga shotguns, and NO one is not a Franchi AL-48, YET!

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:39 am 
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In my opinion the Al48 is the best Field 28 ga auto around. Yes I do own one and love it. For clays it might not be the best but I use mine for SC also. Downside is finding theose empty hulls cause that little bugger throws em like a NFL quarterback. Gas gun might be a little better for felt recoiul and the 20 is a lot cheaper to shoot. If I were you Id get the Al 48 and use it for hunting when you go. :D

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:33 am 
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Go with the 28 gauge Franchi 48AL.I have two 28 gauge Franchi's and one 28 gauge Remington 1100 .The 1100 is a fine shotgun but the Franchi is lighter and faster.In the 28 gauge I notice no difference in recoil between the 1100 and the 48 AL.There is very little recoil to speak of in either shotgun.

The 28 gauge is a fine shotgun gauge to learn to shoot with.


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:45 am 
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Thanks guys, great info, keep it coming.

For the amount that I actually shoot, the cost of shells isn't a big concern. I have been considering the 20 gauge as well. I just thought the 28 gauge guns would be a little lighter, with a little less recoil. In any case I think I'll put a limb saver or similar type recoil pad just to make it extra comfy.

Since I don't have a 28, I don't know much about the shells. There doesn't seem to be as big of a variety in choices like 12 gauge. All the loads seem to have real similar specs, so I'm thinking any available new loads should cycle either the Rem or the Franchi reliably. Any opinions on that? It would be real easy to just get an O/U in 28 and not have to worry about it, but I think the lower recoil (or perceived recoil) from the auto would be a good thing.

Leaning towards the 1100 Sporting 28.


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 Post subject: Re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
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wardog1 wrote:
I'm looking for a 28 gauge autoloader for fun and to introduce a couple of new female shooters to some informal clay shooting. Hunting is not a priority, it'd be just for clay targets.

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The 1100 is a fine shotgun but the Franchi is lighter and faster.

Where is the advantage to a 5.4 lb. shotgun destined to be used for clay targets only?

A gun that swings like a flyrod is not a plus in any clay target game that I'm aware of.

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
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Good questons," ShootingStar ".It is a matter of choice.I prefer the lighter shotgun.I find for me that the ligher Franchi points better and is faster.There are probably others who would not share my view.To each his own.


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:34 pm 
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Bobk, you are right. I have very little experience with a 28ga. A friend & I introduced another friend to shooting & he started with a 28ga & did not fare well. He switched off to a 20ga and improved quickly. It may have been gun fit that caused the improvemnet, not sure. I admit I'm not fully educated on a 28gas ballistics and should have considered that before I posted. Wardog, sorry if I sent you in the wrong direction.

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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:24 pm 
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Wardog, sorry if I sent you in the wrong direction.


No problem. I'm actually still really considering the 20 gauge. Shells are cheaper, and many more autoloaders to choose from. I'm looking over the Beretta 391 Urika field model in 20.
I know 391's are great and seem to have low recoil. I think I can get one from my local FFL for under $800 and it weighs 5.9 lbs. With a mercury recoil reducer in the stock:

http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/customer/p ... 310&page=1

and a limb saver pad, I think it would be smooth shooter.

Since my 12 gauge 391 eats anything, I'm thinking the 20 gauge 391 would also cycle just about anything. Anyone know if will cycle the Remington STS Low Recoil 20 Gauge loads?

http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/customer/p ... 742&page=1


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:24 pm 
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ill cast a vote for the remington 28 the only hunting you will be doing is for you empties :lol:


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
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It's alway far easier and less expensive to add weight than to remove it. The other plus is you can add it to the back, front, or both to change it's balance to your liking.


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 Post subject: re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:21 am 
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Maybe a little late to chime in, but my vote goes to the 48AL. I've never shot the Remington, but my Franchi shoots like a dream. I've got one in 20 and 28. Personally, I shoot the 28 better.

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 Post subject: Re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
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I amconsidering these two 28's at the moment. 2 of my local gun stores have deals. A Franchi AL48 Deluxe 28 for $799 new. Another has the 100 28 sporting for $975

2 different gunsmiths advised me to stay away from the Franchi. I have yet to shoot either. It will be used by me for hunting and as an all rounder for my daughter, who is just starting...

Any updates on this debate? Is the new Benelli worth the extra money?

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 Post subject: Re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:08 am 
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That's a heck of a price for a new Deluxe. I'd take a Franchi over te remington any day. I would also suggest to stay away from those two smiths.


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 Post subject: Re: 28 Gauge Auto - Rem 1100 vs. Franchi 48 AL
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I'd recommend a benelli 20ga M2. It was Randy Wakeman's pick for autoloader of the year. The cost is not much different than the two 28ga guns you're looking. IMO, with 7/8oz target loads, the 20ga M2 will shoot just as soft if not softer than the two 28ga guns you are looking at.

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