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 Post subject: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:07 pm 
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Guys,
I am new to this! I have just acquired a vintage Model 59 in the original box, chokes in pouch BUT!!! the pistol grip cap is missing and one of the previous owners has replaced the original heel plate with a thick rubber one. Anyone know of any spare bits? Over here in the UK, most dealers and shooters have never heard of a shotgun with a 'floating' chamber and look at me as if I'm stupid!
Alan. (Aged 59)


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:05 pm 
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I doubt it had a pistol grip cap, my three don't have.

Do a search for Numrich gun parts if you want to put a plate back on, or just put a better pad on. Personally, I would do away with all possible felt recoil and go with a Kickeez or Limbsaver.

59's with "Versalite" chokes are pretty rare, which ones did you get?

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem. ... el=0950z59 look at number 21

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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:58 pm 
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Steve,
The pistol grip is flat and has a hole with a definite 'thread'!
I agree, the 59's I have seen in Ads do not show a cap! This one may have been a special order, or, maybe, one of the previous owners may have had very big hands and wanted space for his little finger!!!


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:38 pm 
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The Pigeon Grade Model 59 had a pistol grip cap, with high grade wood and an engine turned bolt.
Pigeon Grade Model 59s are very rare.

Keep that floating chamber clean.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:13 am 
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Tex,
The two chokes are Improved and Modified and they are in a wallet with a lever marked 'WINCHESTER' I believe other chokes supplied at the time were extra to cost. I understand 82,085 of these were made between 1961 and 1965. The number on this on suggests to me that it would be around 1963.

I am a left-hander and own a L.H. Rem. 1100; the cases flying from the '59 don't worry me none! I'm just glad to have it.

I am now on the lookout for a Model 50.Alan.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
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There were only three choke tubes: IC,M,& F. The lever is used to tighten and loosen the tubes.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:27 am 
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Guys!
Thanks for the info!! I got on to Numrich Arms at 0800 your Eastern time and by the time you read this, my Full Choke versalite tube will be ear-marked for me! Watch this space!
Alan.

P.S. Does the vintage '59 have any 'pet' loads that are kind to the old girl?


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
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FC, does your Model 59 have a engine turned bolt and fancy wood?

I would use Skeet or Trap loads.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:09 pm 
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Floating Chamber wrote:
Guys!
Thanks for the info!! I got on to Numrich Arms at 0800 your Eastern time and by the time you read this, my Full Choke versalite tube will be ear-marked for me! Watch this space!
Alan.

P.S. Does the vintage '59 have any 'pet' loads that are kind to the old girl?


If you haven't already placed the order, get a new recoil spring for it (behind the inertia rod).

Don't worry about loads for it, it will shoot lite 7/8 oz to 1 1/4 boomers, just as long as they are 2 3/4. If it won't shoot lite stuff, the inertia rod needs removed and cleaned----rod bore polished/oiled. That gets into another deal of timing one, will get into that later if you desire.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:54 am 
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Guys! Help!
I just stripped down the '59 but before I did I noticed that the chamber moved backwards when I slowly pulled back the bolt. Yes! My suspicions were correct! The plunger is missing :(

Would any of you '59 owners out there be prepared to tell me the diameter and length of this little rod - and whether I could make one by grinding a suitable HSS drill bit to length?

HELP! I want to go shooting this Sunday!
Regards from UK!
Alan.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:00 am 
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WOW! These guts are machined steel; no pressed metal like my Remy 1100! The hammer spring is a work of art!


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
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What plunger?

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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:36 am 
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Steve, there is a plunger in the rear of the floating chamber. It keeps the floating chamber 'in battery' with the recess in the receiver. Don't tell me yours is missing too?
Alan.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:01 pm 
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If you folks wouldn't start taking things apart before you learned a little about you gun, things like this would not happen! :roll:
I have had these guns apart more times than you can count, and that plunger never fell out.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:38 pm 
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Floating Chamber wrote:
Steve, there is a plunger in the rear of the floating chamber. It keeps the floating chamber 'in battery' with the recess in the receiver. Don't tell me yours is missing too?
Alan.


No, mine aren't missing, how'd you do that? After re-reading your original post, it isn't a new gun---just in the original box. Bet the PO lost it, but you look around real well where you took it apart--and in the trigger if it was in there.

I would put that along with the spring, in the order with the tube. I'm not sure how, but that thing is supposed to be held in there---probably an oversized ledge, and I have never had one out.

By the way, I have a Versalite tube marked Skeet, same place, same dies as the others are marked.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:59 pm 
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Guys! Hang on, don't jump to conclusions! I've only had this gun a couple of days! I was bright enough to notice that the plunger was missing before I stripped it down! The chamber fell backwards as I eased the slide back.
I had the privilege of having the great Carbine Williams explain the function of this plunger well before I got the gun :lol:
(Obviously on black and white footage!) I did not lose the plunger, and it ain't anywhere in the guts!
Just gimme the measurements and I'll make one before Sunday!
Regards!
Alan.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:52 pm 
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OK my valued American cousins!

Here's the lowdown on my latest acquisition!

WINCHESTER Model 59 12 gauge shotgun with 'WinLite' barrel and Versalite chokes.

Serial Number: 51703 and Nitro proofed in London.
(Anyone know Manuf. date other than 1961 -1965?)

Purchase price £350.00

Filthy when I bought it; Marsh Williams' chamber lacking its plunger, but with spring still in socket. I took the bolt assembly out and cleaned it. (Oh! those left and right hand slides!) - but I figured it out! I even made myself a nifty little tool out of half-inch copper tube to align the holes and re-position the link!

The magazine spring is like new - which surprised me! My Remy 1100 spring has always been rusty!

The trigger plate was mucky! It is now in pristine condition!

The action is now smooth and lightly oiled - all I need now is for one of you cousins to mail me the measurements for a plunger!

Oh! One last thing, I don't like the way you can twist the barrel even when the forearm is well secured! Is this wear or typical for these guns?
Regards from UK!

Alan.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:04 pm 
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Well, I'm a little leery about taking it out to measure, feels like it is hooked into the spring somehow-----is your spring still in there?

Ok, got it out, you will have to deal with thousandths of an inch.

The body is .1227" in diameter----the body is .507" long but.............overall length is .626" because it has this tittie sticking out that snaps into a coil of the spring.

Feature this thing as an upright candle, the look of the flame-----teardrop if you will, with a sharp point then increasing diameter to a total of .0595", then releaved behind it so the spring coil can hold it.

Clear as mud?

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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:00 pm 
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Steve, many thanks from the UK. Your instructions are CRYSTAL CLEAR. I'll be in the workshop tomorrow. Must dash, will return later on tonight!
Alan.

P.S. Steve, I forgot to ask the ALL important question!!!!
HOW FAR does the plunger stick out from the surface of the chamber?


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 Post subject: re: Winchester Mo59 (WinLite Barrel) missing bits!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:48 pm 
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So, Guys, whos gonna sell me a Versalite Skeet tube? :D


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