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 Post subject: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:05 pm 
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Bond Arms carries several models of derringers. Some of them shoot multiple ammo, such as the .45 and .410 000 buck.

If I remember right, .410 000 buckshot is five .30 caliber lead shots. If you have shot this, please tell me your experience, such as what it will knock down.

The derringer I am looking at will be used for concealed carry. I want to evaluate its ballistics for stopping a human assailant.


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:26 pm 
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Probably very poor, especially from a barrel that small. If you are going to get close enough to use something like that I would want something that packs more of a punch than .410 buck shot. I wouldn't even use it on a small deer in a full length barrel to be honest.

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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:34 pm 
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I would use a slug


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
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I would probably go with slugs myself, but at the short ranges the gun was designed for, almost anything should do the trick. Picture a faceful of 7.5's at 15'.
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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:06 am 
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If you want stopping power from a .410 get a 2.5” roll crimp load pop out the paper with the point of a knife and tip out the shot, now cut across the top of the roll towards the base for about 3mm.
You can now squeeze in 3 app .44-.45 cal round balls, that load works well on goats and foxes but people might be another story.
You can also make 2.5” .410 cases by fire forming 303Brit brass and loading them yourself, if you do this you might be able to load a slug so that it really hammers whatever you hit.


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:30 am 
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At really close ranges I would rather get shot with buckshot than bird shot....you can't stitch hamburger back together....

If you want the most bang from that gun...use 45LCs! Speer Factory loads a Gold Dot bullet for it. Can be had for about $20.

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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:47 pm 
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If I remember right the .410 slug has about the same muzzle energy as a .357mag BUT much poorer performance because of simple lead slug vs good Hollow point bullet.

I'd go for a .38spl/357mag chambering in the type of guns you're looking at.


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:13 pm 
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I called Bond Arms and they confirmed that the .410 won't make the impact other bullets will make.

They told me that RBCD makes high pressure ammunition especially for Bond. The picture on the home page of the web site of RBCD (www.rbcd.net) compares the aftermath of a watermelon with a 230 grain vs a 90 grain bullet. This was a .45ACP shot from a Glock.

The guy at Bond said they replicated that .45 ACP 90 grain and it obliterated the watermelon from 18'. I guess it would because it travels 2,000 FPS.

He did say though that 90% of their sales are the 45 colt/.410. That is interesting.

By the way, the person I talked with at RBCD said their .45 acp 90 grain can only be shot from the Bond Derringer. If shot from another gun, that gun will be demolished.


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:21 pm 
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Small Glock or Sig in .40 S&W.

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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:50 pm 
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Why not just use the 45 Long Colt it was designed for? That
should stop just about any thing. Reguardless the recoil is going to smart alittle when you put in a little range time.


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 Post subject: re: Stopping power of .410 000 buckshot
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:31 am 
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000 buck is .357 in diameter and weighs about 65 grains each. Therefore, if fired from a shotgun at normal shotgun velocities, each 000 buck will produce about 220 ft. lbs. of kinetic energy, 3 of them producing something on the order of 660 ft. lbs. enough to take down the meanest of men, if he is not carrying 100 lbs. of extra fat, or wearinging body armor.

Out of a handgun, like this Bond gun, I would expect greatly reduced velocity and energy figures.

The best bet from a gun like this would be the 45 Colt cartridge as was suggested above...... 8)

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