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 Post subject: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:26 am 
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Hi i am new here, and i am trying to find out an approx. price for one of my dad's guns. I hope this is in the right spot. :)
The gun , from the only info my father has is its a Winchester shotgun model 12, sweet 16 gauge, the # on it is 830996. He says its a plain walnut stock, i believe it to be a late 20's or early 30's model. The last copyright date on the barrel was july 22, 1913. It says it is a 2 3/4" barrel. I have found some webpages talking about the gun, but no price listings. He is thinking of selling it. Thanks for any of your help. :)
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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:01 pm 
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Welcome to the forum Dean: Well the only thing I can tell you right now is your gun was made in 1940. It's a plain barrel field grade gun, but without knowing the barrel length, (26,28,30 or 32 inches, and the choke) will be needed to get a close value. could be a $400 or a $1200 gun. (32 inch barrels are extremely rare and would be the first one I've seen even though some were made).

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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:17 pm 
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I just bought a 1959 16 gauge model 12 with good wood and 80% bluing for $350 out the door. Just FYI.


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:03 pm 
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I have 717XXX made in 1938, it's been reblued and the stock refinished, and I dropped about $400 for it. It was factory modified choke but opened up a touch to light modified. It struck me as a very useful gun.

Did I pay too much? Don't I always? :D


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:56 pm 
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I goofed on the year of the one I bought. It is a 1939 model. I was born in 1959! Doh!


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:15 pm 
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Ok its a 28 inch barrel and it is a modified choke. :)


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:46 pm 
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28in mod is pretty standard on the 16ga and just slightly more desirable than one with the full choke....if you sell it local, like at a gun show or through the paper look to get 375/450 out of it...Start out at 450 and see what happens...............If you want to bother with the auction sites start out the bidding at 400 + shipping and see where it goes from there....you will need to post good pictures to get folks interested.....and you will have to pack it up and send it to the FFL holder the buyer chooses to handle the transaction...it cansometimes be a hastle....

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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:16 am 
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Good evening everyone: Well Dean, the Modified choked Md 12 16ga is the most common. Being 28 inch barrel, pretty much became the norm once 28 inch barrel started being produced in the early 20s, even though 26 inch barrels were standard.

The guns configuration is the most common, (no solid rib) but it is a pre-war and many Md 12 lovers like them better than the post war guns.

Obviously the marketing venue chosen determines the results you will have. But on most days the value will run about $375-$525. Your best results would be on the internet, either an auction site like www.gunbroker.com or a listing site like www.gunsamerica.com . Buyers will want to know where the adjusting sleeve on the barrel has been adjusted too. This helps the buyer determine usage.

Skeet Dawg: Brain farts happen! LOL

Tijeras, a reblued, Md 12 especially one that has had the choke "opened" may be a great shooter, but the modifiacations drastically reduce it's value. I think you over paid.

Regards to all

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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:38 am 
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Tijeras, a reblued, Md 12 especially one that has had the choke "opened" may be a great shooter, but the modifiacations drastically reduce it's value. I think you over paid.


No arguement from me! :D Just don't tell Mrs. Slim - she thinks I always get super good deals!

I bought it purely as a shooter, and whoever did the reblue was very good. Plus, mechanically the gun feels super tight.


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:42 pm 
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Don't let him sell it. If he does really want to sell it, buy it.

I don't know if these guns will ever be worth a whole lot, but I do know that they are about the best bargin for the money in the gun busisness if they sell in the 400-600 range. Light, fast handling, good payload, no depreciation, last forever. Good buy if you hunt and probably even if you don't. Look at that 16 gauge again and then tell me you would just as soon have a 870 express with screw in chokes and 50 bucks back?


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 Post subject: re: winchester model 12 sweet 16 help
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:31 pm 
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Exactly...

there are two aspects to investing: conserving capital and/or creating more capital...so use a gun for a lifetime of hunting and then sell it or pass it on with a value equal to or slightly more than you paid for it? That's a deal.

The third aspect is the pure joy and pride of owning one of the finest repeating shotguns ever made. What's that worth?


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