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 Post subject: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:09 pm 
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trying to save a few pennies here and there. An 8lb keg of 800x is about $10 less than Longshot and I've always liked the IMR product. Any experience out there utilizing 800X with the old style AA 28G hulls OR with the new style AA HS hulls?
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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 pm 
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I am surprised no one has posted their experience with 800X. A friend tried a keg because like you he though that he could save a few bucks. He had problems getting consistent drops and got a lot of off sounding and blooper loads. But he was loading for his 12 ga. He ended up having to weigh every drop and adjust the amount of powder accordingly. He went back to 700X.

It would be interesting if the drops are more consistent with the smaller amounts needed for the 28 ga.

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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:26 pm 
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A guy I shoot with... You've seen him at the worlds and around if you live in my area shoots 800X in 12, 20 and 28 ga.

It is loud, dirty and he loves it... and shoots well!


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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:43 pm 
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The general concensus of 800X is that it is one of the poorest metering powders in existance. It has the consistancy of miniature cow patties, burns dirty as any you ever saw, but performs well, IF and only IF you are using it in the larger gauges, where variations in powder drop are not critical.

In the subgauges like the 28 ga., the results are extremely poor, unless you weigh each and every powder charge to get any semblance of uniformity. Simply not worth the hassle in my opinion. I have tried it, used it a short time, and quit using it after using up a couple of small containers. Hated the stuff. There are simply too mang good powders out there that meter well and perform consistantly, for me to waste my time fooling with it.

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 Post subject: Re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:56 am 
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drfut21311 wrote:
trying to save a few pennies here and there. An 8lb keg of 800x is about $10 less than Longshot and I've always liked the IMR product. Any experience out there utilizing 800X with the old style AA 28G hulls OR with the new style AA HS hulls?

I suspect you'd have a capacity problem using 800X in the AA-HS hulls, unless you use Remington's PT28 wads, which are ridiculously overpriced and would eat up any savings you'd realized on the powder. The 800X might be even too bulky for those.

The reason there's no conversation around here about 800X is mainly because nobody uses the stuff for the reasons already mentioned.

If you want a money-saving, target-smashing 28 gauge load, invest nine bucks in a 5/8 or 11/16 oz. charge bar and try mine:

28 GAUGE UNIQUE LITE
Hull: AA-HS
Shot: 5/8 or 11/16 oz. (Actual average dropped: 5/8 - 279 gr., 11/16 - 300 gr.)
Powder: 13 gr. Unique
MEC Powder Bushing: No. 20
Primer: Fiocchi 616 (209), W209, STS209, NobelSport
Wad: Claybuster CB5034-28HS
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Average Velocity: 1216
High Velocity: 1234
Low Velocity: 1201
Extreme Spread: 33
Standard Deviation: 13
Pressure: Less than the published 9,400 psi for 3/4 oz. of shot.
NOTES: 14 grains of Universal from a standard MEC No. 18 bushing will also produce good crimps with this load, with only a slight loss of velocity, but slightly higher pressure. Either load may or may not cycle semiautos.

The reduced payload allows the use of Unique in the AA-HS hull and also works in the older AA, but I'd strongly suggest you stick to the newer hull.

A stock MEC 3/4 oz. charge bar drops no more than an average 315 grains anyway, and you'll never notice the difference using those reduced payloads.

Most of that assumes, of course, that you're using a MEC reloader.

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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:52 pm 
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I use 800x in a lot of my 28 gauge reloading.It is one of my favourites but to get good loads all charges have to be weighed.Have good results using Remington and Challenger hulls.Weighing each load is slow but I do my reloading over the winter when I have lots of time.Myself I feel the extra time worth it as I like the powder.
Can not remember using 800x in 28 gauge Winchester hulls as I usually use Winchester powder in them.
Like you I am fond of IMR products.Used them a lot when I was into rifle shooting.


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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:57 pm 
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I'm glad I read this post. Now I can come out of the closet. I thought I was the only one who weighed each powder charge for my 800-X loads. I never told anybody until today. Thanks for sharing.

I've weighed 800-X since I started using it in the early 80s for pheasant loads and also for steel shot loads. To date, I weigh each charge. Thank God I don't use it for target loads. Very consistent velocities with weighed charges shot over my chronograph. My favaorite powder for 1 1/4 oz. 12ga. loads.


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 Post subject: Re: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:22 pm 
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KJB wrote:
Thank God I don't use it for target loads.

Yeah, you'd spend a lot more time loading shotgun shells than you did shooting them.

Good powder for someone with a brand new $200+ digital scale whose fascination with it is so boundless he can't stop playing with it. :lol:

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 Post subject: re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:01 pm 
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Alright Case. I'll tell the truth. I did load it for 1 1/8 oz. target loads five years ago. Had 1.5 pounds sitting on the shelf for over 8 years, decided I'd load it. What a wasted day that was. Should have just put it in the "Free" box at the trap club.


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 Post subject: Re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:21 am 
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Inconsistent yes. Just did a little study. As an analytical chemist this is the crap we do all the time. To determine the +/- value from the average with in a 95% confidence you multiply the standard deviation by 3. As you can see from the data below the 800 has 3-4 times the standard deviation on repeated loads. From the data below this means you would have a 800X load 22.9 +/- 0.9 grains (that is almost a +/-5% difference). Wish I had not bought 8 lb of this stuff. Maybe will use it for practice.

800X
31 bushing
23.0
23.4
22.7
23.2
22.7
22.6
22.9

0.29 Standard Deviation

Clays
B31
17
16.9
17.1
17
16.9
16.98

0.084 Standard Deviation


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 Post subject: Re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:20 am 
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Why bring up a 6 y/o thread? Just start a new one instead

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 Post subject: Re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:52 am 
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I once bought a 14 oz can of the stuff to use in 10 mm auto. The stuff meters like Eggo waffles. I thought the performance was overrated. That was a long time ago. Never again.

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 Post subject: Re: 800X IMR powder reloads for AA HS Winchester hulls
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:15 pm 
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I keep it on hand for 12 gauge long range turkey shoot loads so tried some in 28 gauge loads in the C.F. hulls and I have to say it made a great load with 3/4 ounce of hard 9,s or 8.5,s and the pink claybuster wad. I have found that to get any kind of consistent powder drops I had to remove the powder baffle from my grabber press and keep the powder bottle topped up. I loaded and shot a flat of this 28 gauge load with out any powder baffle had no bloopers and a bunch of skeet 25 straights so it could not have been that bad.




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