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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:09 am 
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The First Works Baptist Church, near Los Angeles, were the victims of a hate crime. An ied planted and detonated in their sanctuary. fbi is investigating. The church has been under fire from leftist groups for their adherence to Biblical Morals. Jesus told us that as He was hated so would we be. Praying for that congregation



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:55 pm 
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The left will keep pushing and pushing until we’ve had enough. It takes a lot to wear down our patience but it never turns out good for them.
Praying for them and the dirty S.o.B that did it. May the Lord deal with that in his own way.

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That is a real shame. I hope no one was injured and pity the fool who did it. I would not want to be in his shoes come Judgment Day.


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I started to make a snide remark about the MSM not picking up on this but on second thought, they probably would have somehow found a way to make it the congregation's fault.


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I started to make a snide remark about the MSM not picking up on this but on second thought, they probably would have somehow found a way to make it the congregation's fault.


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It has already been reported by NBC as an explosion "at anti-LGBTQ church" in CA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fb ... a-n1255439


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Old Testament law provides for death to adulterers, witches, violators of the Saturday sabbath, disrespectful children, male homosexuals, and subjects a pregnant wife suspected of adultery to a mandatory drinking of an abortion potion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bibleg ... erface=amp

For two thousand years my church has taught Christ repealed all those laws and gave us One Commandment.

That we love each other, as much as we love Christ.

The person that would bomb any place of peaceable assembly is a terrorist, unless they prove to be an arsonist.

Unless it turns out somebody on the inside of the church wanted headlines or a new church building, that is an act of domestic terrorism.

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Only a very sick individual would suspect the church of arson.

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Only a very sick individual would suspect the church of arson.


Actually the pastor is always the first suspect. His church gets massive publicity, sympathy, and probably a new building.

Then somebody angry with the pastor, and maybe the rest of the church, for some slight or perceived insult, or excommunication.

Look at this crime. It happened at 1 am when the perpetrator had an alibi somewhere else. If inside the church they had prior knowledge of where to put the improvised bomb. To have improvised a bomb required research, materials, planning, and calculation.

Modern churches are locked, so the perp had to gain access. They didn’t want to commit murder, at one am, and had no fear of security cameras.

The biggest terrorist threat today all over the world are ultra right wing fundamentalist terrorists.

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On 6 June 1992, the Fantoft Stave Church, a wooden structure built in 1150 in Fortun, when the Vikings converted to Christianity and moved to Bergen in 1883, was burnt down.[11] At first the fire was attributed to lightning and electrical failure. In January 1993 Varg Vikernes, also known as "Count Grishnackh", was interviewed by a local journalist in his apartment decorated with 'Nazi paraphernalia, weapons, and Satanic symbols'. Vikernes, a proponent of White nationalism, survivalism and his racialist neopagan ideology, has declared that he wants to blow up Blitz House and Nidaros Cathedral. He has publicly supported black metal fans burning down eight churches in Norway. He used a photo of the charred remnants of one church taken soon after the fire on his band Burzum's album entitled Aske (Norwegian for ashes). Following his statement the Norwegian authorities began to clamp down on the black metal scene.[12]

In 1994, Vikernes was found guilty of murder, arson and possession of illegal weapons (including explosives) and given the maximum sentence under Norwegian law of 21 years in prison.[12] He was released in 2009.[13]

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Few leftists today are fascinated with improvised explosives.

Atheists don’t believe the Holy Bible is true.

Odds are a true believer, set the fuse on that bomb.

If it’s not an inside job, it’s likely somebody emulating , but without the homicidal intentions of Dylann Roof.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof

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 Post subject: Re: The attacks on Christians
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:22 pm 
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SuperXOne wrote:
Turkinator wrote:
Only a very sick individual would suspect the church of arson.


Actually the pastor is always the first suspect. His church gets massive publicity, sympathy, and probably a new building.

Then somebody angry with the pastor, and maybe the rest of the church, for some slight or perceived insult, or excommunication.

Look at this crime. It happened at 1 am when the perpetrator had an alibi somewhere else. If inside the church they had prior knowledge of where to put the improvised bomb. To have improvised a bomb required research, materials, planning, and calculation.

Modern churches are locked, so the perp had to gain access. They didn’t want to commit murder, at one am, and had no fear of security cameras.

The biggest terrorist threat today all over the world are ultra right wing fundamentalist terrorists.

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On 6 June 1992, the Fantoft Stave Church, a wooden structure built in 1150 in Fortun, when the Vikings converted to Christianity and moved to Bergen in 1883, was burnt down.[11] At first the fire was attributed to lightning and electrical failure. In January 1993 Varg Vikernes, also known as "Count Grishnackh", was interviewed by a local journalist in his apartment decorated with 'Nazi paraphernalia, weapons, and Satanic symbols'. Vikernes, a proponent of White nationalism, survivalism and his spam neopagan ideology, has declared that he wants to blow up Blitz House and Nidaros Cathedral. He has publicly supported black metal fans burning down eight churches in Norway. He used a photo of the charred remnants of one church taken soon after the fire on his band Burzum's album entitled Aske (Norwegian for ashes). Following his statement the Norwegian authorities began to clamp down on the black metal scene.[12]

In 1994, Vikernes was found guilty of murder, arson and possession of illegal weapons (including explosives) and given the maximum sentence under Norwegian law of 21 years in prison.[12] He was released in 2009.[13]

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Few leftists today are fascinated with improvised explosives.

Atheists don’t believe the Holy Bible is true.

Odds are a true believer, set the fuse on that bomb.


Baloney, hokum and poppycock. Only someone fixated with the events of 1/6/21 would say/think so.

Whoever planted that bomb believed that he was blowing up right wing fundamentalists.


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 Post subject: Re: The attacks on Christians
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:58 pm 
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SuperXOne wrote:
Turkinator wrote:
Only a very sick individual would suspect the church of arson.


Actually the pastor is always the first suspect. His church gets massive publicity, sympathy, and probably a new building.

Then somebody angry with the pastor, and maybe the rest of the church, for some slight or perceived insult, or excommunication.

Look at this crime. It happened at 1 am when the perpetrator had an alibi somewhere else. If inside the church they had prior knowledge of where to put the improvised bomb. To have improvised a bomb required research, materials, planning, and calculation.

Modern churches are locked, so the perp had to gain access. They didn’t want to commit murder, at one am, and had no fear of security cameras.

The biggest terrorist threat today all over the world are ultra right wing fundamentalist terrorists.

—-

On 6 June 1992, the Fantoft Stave Church, a wooden structure built in 1150 in Fortun, when the Vikings converted to Christianity and moved to Bergen in 1883, was burnt down.[11] At first the fire was attributed to lightning and electrical failure. In January 1993 Varg Vikernes, also known as "Count Grishnackh", was interviewed by a local journalist in his apartment decorated with 'Nazi paraphernalia, weapons, and Satanic symbols'. Vikernes, a proponent of White nationalism, survivalism and his spam neopagan ideology, has declared that he wants to blow up Blitz House and Nidaros Cathedral. He has publicly supported black metal fans burning down eight churches in Norway. He used a photo of the charred remnants of one church taken soon after the fire on his band Burzum's album entitled Aske (Norwegian for ashes). Following his statement the Norwegian authorities began to clamp down on the black metal scene.[12]

In 1994, Vikernes was found guilty of murder, arson and possession of illegal weapons (including explosives) and given the maximum sentence under Norwegian law of 21 years in prison.[12] He was released in 2009.[13]

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Few leftists today are fascinated with improvised explosives.

Atheists don’t believe the Holy Bible is true.

Odds are a true believer, set the fuse on that bomb.


Baloney, hokum and poppycock. Only someone fixated with the events of 1/6/21 would say/think so.

Whoever planted that bomb believed that he was blowing up right wing fundamentalists.


1/6/21 was a wide open riot.

This is a church bombing.

My father was in charge of the Humansville Christian Church every day of my life until I was 13.

Part of the church tradition was there was not one lock to be found anyplace inside, and no keys.

I’d ask my father why that was so, and he’d always ask me, why I thought so.

I think they did mainly that to prove how fearless they were.

We followed after those that stood and watched Him crucified.

But it also kept nothing inside that church building sacred, or valuable enough, to not be able to leave any time you wanted.

Today modern churches have locked doors, security cameras, church boards and insurance policies and pastors that run the show, and instead of waking out one unlocked door to another church with an unlocked door they bicker and fight among themselves constantly.

Googling church pastor arrested for arson gets a lot of hits.

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Barrow County sheriff's deputies have charged the pastor of the New Life Deliverance Church Ministries with arson in a fire that burned his own church in December 2005.

Deputies arrested Quincy Arnold, 49, on Tuesday and charged him with arson, conspiracy to commit a crime, vandalism of a place of worship and insurance fraud in the Dec. 7, 2005, fire at the church between Winder and Auburn.

Arnold's 24-year-old son, Maurice, was arrested two weeks ago on identical charges.

Quincy Arnold was released from the Barrow County Detention Center on Wednesday morning on $50,000 bail, according to a statement released by the Barrow County Sheriff's Office.

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Cameron Julius Xavier Banks, 32, of Georgetown, is charged with obstructing justice, second degree arson, burning personal property to defraud insurer and making a false insurance claim to obtain benefits for fire or explosion loss.

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Sometimes the pastor bombs his mistress, instead

FAIRFIELD, Calif. —
The former minister of the Fellowship Baptist Church in Vacaville was sentenced last week to eight years in prison for stalking his former girlfriend, and the arson of her Vacaville home.

Mark Wayne Lewis, 40, pleaded no contest to the charges Jan. 15, three days after his trial started in Solano County Superior Court, according to Solano County District Attorney Krishna Abrams.

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January 18, 2008
Albany -- Days after his church burned December 31st, Rev. Joseph Howard showed us the damage and claimed the arson was a hate crime.
"I think it is bigotry, because of the damage that has been done," said Rev. Joseph Howard.
Now, investigators tell a different story. Friday night, state and local officials shook hands and thanked each other for their help in what is still a very active arson investigation.

As soon as this occurred all local and state authorities came together to get to the bottom of this," said Georgia Fire Commissioner, John Oxendine.
But nobody expected to find what has risen from these ashes. "It is very serious when you have a minister burning down a church," said Oxendine.
Dr. Joseph Howard was arrested Friday for first degree arson, the second person charged in this fire.
"We had one individual arrest made yesterday, Curtis Lee Jones, 46-years-old with one count of arson in the first degree," said Oxendine.


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The pastor is always the first suspect a church arson investigator looks at.

Then they widen the circle.

This wasn’t juveniles, if it was truly a time delayed improvised explosive, inside the sanctuary, set to explode at 1 am.

Somebody had a religious motive.

After the circle widens beyond the pastor, investigators look for people that would have a grudge against the pastor or church. Usually it’s a member or former church member. It could be a former spouse of a church member, like in the worst church massacre in American history in Sutherland Springs Texas in 2017.

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On the night of October 31, less than a week before the shooting, Kelley attended a festival at the First Baptist Church wearing all black. According to two parishioners who were at the festival, he acted so strangely that people had to keep an eye on him. One also examined him to make sure he was not carrying a firearm.[40] According to a former Air Force colleague who temporarily got reacquainted with him online, Kelley claimed he would buy dogs and other animals and use them for "target practice". He also expressed his obsession with mass murders, including the Charleston church shooting, and joked about committing one himself. These comments prompted her to block him on Facebook.[34][58]

Kelley's estranged second wife sometimes attended First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs with her family.[42] Prior to the shooting, he sent threatening text messages to her mother.[16] His wife and her mother were not at the church when the attack occurred, but he killed his wife's grandmother at the church.[16][59]
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And at the same time they keep their minds open it might be domestic terrorists.

There no doubt are a few liberal minded domestic terrorists, but all the Weather Underground survivors have aged out.

Today’s stereotypical domestic terrorist is a Timothy McVeigh type.

He’s ultra right wing, hates the government, a loner of one of a small group of losers, and he’s fascinated with improvised explosives, the weapon of a coward.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

The poor schmucks who stormed the Capitol wanting to hang Mike Pence were just ordinary Americans caught up in a mob.

This church bomber, intended to get away with it.

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 Post subject: Re: The attacks on Christians
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:45 pm 
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Why do you degenerate every thread into a retarded humansville story? This was a leftist terrorist attack against a conservative fundamentalist church. To bring up a hokey story is rubbish .

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:14 pm 
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Why do you degenerate every thread into a retarded humansville story? This was a leftist terrorist attack against a conservative fundamentalist church. To bring up a hokey story is rubbish .


I agree and believe that this will prove to be the case when the crime is solved. Leftist/liberal hate due to the church's well known and outspoken anti-LGBTQ status, not an inside job. Could even have been a Campbellite unhappy with the church's refusal to love their gay neighbors. Where were you on the night of 1/23/21, SX1? :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Why do you degenerate every thread into a retarded humansville story? This was a leftist terrorist attack against a conservative fundamentalist church. To bring up a hokey story is rubbish .


We only know what the editor of the story published.

Somebody planted an improvised explosive in a church sanctuary set to explode at 1 am and it actually went off.

They didn’t intend to kill anybody.

They knew how to improvise a bomb that would not blow up with them there.

They intend to not get caught.

If it was an old time Campbellite church it would not be the same story.

The police would have called my father, and he’d have politely told the police the church had no insurance and would not be filing a police report, and would have not talked to any reporters.

The preacher would know to be looking for another church.

You’d have not read about it.

We can’t know the politics of the present situation, but somebody didn’t like that church.

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Why do you degenerate every thread into a retarded humansville story? This was a leftist terrorist attack against a conservative fundamentalist church. To bring up a hokey story is rubbish .


I agree and believe that this will prove to be the case when the crime is solved. Leftist/liberal hate due to the church's well known and outspoken anti-LGBTQ status, not an inside job. Could even have been a Campbellite unhappy with the church's refusal to love their gay neighbors. Where were you on the night of 1/23/21, SX1? :lol: :lol: :lol:



My curiosity is up about that church.

Who was the pastor?

https://www.fwbcla.org/blank-page-3

He’s a very talented producer of videos, full length movies, podcasts, YouTube shorts, very tech savvy.

He’s somehow involved in a ruckus with Pastor Anderson.



I’d be afraid to enter that church to plant a bomb, with all the video equipment they must have there.

On the 23rd I’m an open book, my phone placing me 1,500 miles from there.

Wonder where the phones of the pastor and church board place them, and Pastor Anderson, whoever he is?

Time for some old time music, while we await the results of the investigation sure to follow:

LITTLE LADY PREACHER

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Every church that has ever existed, or will ever exist, has to find a way to attract and keep members. That’s been true since April 3, 33 AD.

Really that pastor didn’t use the anti gay angle to fill the pews any more than most other holy roller type little churches getting started.

I sincerely hope it was a leftist mad at him, instead of an inside squabble over something so petty it really shouldn’t have mattered.

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“On the 23rd I’m an open book, my phone placing me 1,500 miles from there.”


OK for now, but we will be keeping a eye on you. :lol:


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“On the 23rd I’m an open book, my phone placing me 1,500 miles from there.”


OK for now, but we will be keeping a eye on you. :lol:


Once upon a time I had a client whose ex wife was murdered in Joplin, about exactly the same time my guy was buying gasoline at Casey’s 200 miles away. Even 30 years ago they had cameras on the pumps. Turned out some jealous scuzball down in Joplin was the culprit, but I was glad I’d asked the manager of Casey’s for their tapes.

He’d stalked her and threatened her, so much she’d ran away to Joplin and told all her friends if anything happened to her my client was the first one they should question. Evidently she talked too much about him to the next guy.

The photographs of the church show it’s in a commercial neighborhood, a store front type operation.

Investigators are going to have hundreds of security cameras to check, no doubt.

The first place they’ll look is who left that church about eight hours earlier, around 5:10 on on a Friday.

I hope it’s not that nice looking young pastor.

Maybe it was one of them there Antifas, going to a holy roller Baptist storefront church on Friday afternoon.:)

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Funny how this is not major news in the media. It’s almost as if the main stream media had some kind of agenda or something. But we know that the radical left has been growing more violent by the year. It’s not the Fundamental Christians burning Oregon and Washington, it’s not Fundamental Christians murdering police officers. Only the terminally retarded would think otherwise.

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Funny how this is not major news in the media. It’s almost as if the main stream media had some kind of agenda or something. But we know that the radical left has been growing more violent by the year. It’s not the Fundamental Christians burning Oregon and Washington, it’s not Fundamental Christians murdering police officers. Only the terminally retarded would think otherwise.



You are correct, that it’s mainly a “conservative news media” type story to please their audience, their editors will know will instantly think Antifa types hate Christians and bombed the church.

Same thing happens when a pretty young white girl gets murdered by a sleazy, dark illegal alien, or a pretty young white schoolteacher screws one of her students. It’s tabloid news.

That preacher at that church is faced with exactly the same problem as every other preacher that ever prepared a sermon. How does he attract people to attend services.

Two thirds of that town is Latino, and it’s over 100,000 in size, probably overwhelmingly Catholic, and poor.

Like any other church with Baptist in the name, he’s peddling easy Christianity where the believer finds salvation in a moment of Amazing Grace. Like most modern Baptists he’ll get down hard against abortion, gay marriage, and liberalism in general. That today is routine, normal, everyday storefront evangelical Baptist church fare. They nearly all do that.

But every well raised up Christian that has risen to the level of a good news editor will do a few clicks on the internet to see that picture of that dark skinned, handsome, young man and his pretty young wife and beautiful kids.

Every good news editor knows that in cases of murder the boyfriend or ex spouse is the first suspect, and in every church arson case the pastor is suspect number one.

I’m sure they hope he’s innocent.

And these days, of it’s not that nice looking young pastor or a church member, it’s almost (bit not quite) certain to be a truly radicalized right winger that planted the bomb.

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JANUARY 28, 2021, 3:55 AM
Far-right gunman handed life sentence for killing German politician
Reuters Staff
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - A German court sentenced a far-right sympathiser to life imprisonment on Thursday for shooting dead a pro-immigration politician, in a case that raised questions about whether the country is doing enough to tackle right-wing radicalism.

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If left wing terrorists weren’t confined to a few liberals in Portland or Seattle that never kill anybody or bomb churches, we’d read about that too.

All over the world, it’s the radical right that use violence to terrorize people.

It’s a complete reversal from the liberal terrorists of a half century ago.

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Why do you degenerate every thread into a retarded humansville story? This was a leftist terrorist attack against a conservative fundamentalist church. To bring up a hokey story is rubbish .



It really surprises me when the leftest heretics defend the immoral left against anything Christian. The leftest heretics and all the pretend Christians are in favor of promoting immorality and the leftest agenda.

There is no doubt that the liberal left in this country is waging all out war on Christians. I don’t know all the facts about the church bombing in LA, but I know about all of the attacks on Christians in this country in recent years. I expect that attacks on Christians will increase given the left’s increasing influence in governments at all levels and in every area of U.S. society. We now have the blind leading the blind and the country will fall into a hole.
God help us, and save us from evil fools.

The liberal left and other assorted reprobates are determined to silence Christians and remove Christian influence from American society.

The fools think they can fight God and win. Hang tough Christians. Refuse to be silenced. Living in a Sodom and Gomorrah type society will have its challenges, but ultimately evil will be totally defeated and destroyed.

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2 Peter 2
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly;
7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people
8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds),
9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority.

Trials and tribulations are for a while, but salvation provided in Jesus Christ is eternal. His amazing grace is sufficient.




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