ShotGunWorld Shotguns

It is currently Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:35 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Image



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:58 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4535
Location: Ohio
I was thinking in the original picture that it didn’t look like you had it totally stripped. Now it looks like bare wood.



_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:15 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:45 am
Posts: 1666
dcblvsh2 wrote:
I was thinking in the original picture that it didn’t look like you had it totally stripped. Now it looks like bare wood.


The original finish was pretty well gone in that area, lots of dirty oil had soaked in. Nothing from the action into the end grain of the stock however.

Very nice work on your website by the way. As an amateur wood worker the finish is where I fall short. The excitement of the build makes me rush the finish so I can see the final result.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:35 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4535
Location: Ohio
Thanks. Feel free to contact me if you have questions about the process or whatever. :)

_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:03 pm 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:11 pm
Posts: 829
casonet wrote:
Well you’ve got at least two terrific solvents for oil: methylene chloride and toluene. The acetone isn’t bad either except that it’s an amphoteric molecule.



Casonet , I know what an amphoteric molecule is but don’t understand the significance in this scenario. Could you explain please ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:19 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:54 pm
Posts: 10470
Location: Kansas
Acetone is bipolar. It is soluble in both water and oil whereas solvents like mineral spirits are not.

_________________
"We pulled the trigger, the safety went forward, both barrels fired almost together, the gun opened, ejectors kicked the fired cases over our shoulder ...the most completely automatic gun we ever fired" Elmer Keith- Shotguns by Keith


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:30 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4535
Location: Ohio
casonet wrote:
Acetone is bipolar. It is soluble in both water and oil whereas solvents like mineral spirits are not.



That’s interesting. Does that hinder its ability to remove oil from wood?

_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:47 am 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:08 am
Posts: 1821
Location: Central NH
I would think the biggest drawback using Acetone with whiting would be it's evaporation rate. It's very rapid. MEK is much slower.

I don't know this for a fact, but I bet you could use a slow drying reducer for paint as a solvent. They're just blends of the common solvents we're discussing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:56 am 
Diamond Grade
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:19 pm
Posts: 1374
Location: NSW Australia
I've always used oven cleaner, it works great, spray it on and let sit for half an hour in the sun, rince off with water and repeat.
Done a lot of stocks like that.

_________________
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:58 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4535
Location: Ohio
I used to use MEK but it seemed like it evaporates instantly. I’m going to bow to your knowledge and get another can and try it again.

I used to try to make a paste as directed but the solvent would dry fast enough that it was difficult to apply to the wood in time before it was too dry to stick. Now I just pour the solvent on and quickly bury the head of the stock in the can of whiting. Let it sit a while and repeat.

What would the slow drying paint reducer be called? I have many chunks of walnut that I can experiment with.

_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:58 am 
Diamond Grade
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:04 pm
Posts: 1030
Location: Upstate NY
dcblvsh2 wrote:
casonet wrote:
Acetone is bipolar. It is soluble in both water and oil whereas solvents like mineral spirits are not.



That’s interesting. Does that hinder its ability to remove oil from wood?


Or does that mean it will dry out the wood excessively?

_________________
"The freaks can't be normally formalized, nor can we be formally normalized. What we want is complete weirdification."
Member: NRA, New York Rifle and Pistol Association


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:09 am 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:08 am
Posts: 1821
Location: Central NH
dcblvsh2 wrote:
I used to use MEK but it seemed like it evaporates instantly. I’m going to bow to your knowledge and get another can and try it again.

I used to try to make a paste as directed but the solvent would dry fast enough that it was difficult to apply to the wood in time before it was too dry to stick. Now I just pour the solvent on and quickly bury the head of the stock in the can of whiting. Let it sit a while and repeat.

What would the slow drying paint reducer be called? I have many chunks of walnut that I can experiment with.

Go to an auto body supply house, and ask to buy a quart of the slowest drying urethane reducer that they have. Most auto parts stores mix paint. In some states that can't happen due to VOC laws, but I don't think you're in one of them.

Alternatively...looks like Amazon sells some products, but they're a little pricey IMO.

If I were trying to use the whiting, I'd wrap the stock in plastic to slow the evaporation of the solvent. Several companies make a masking plastic that's thin, and would work great. You can buy that at any Sherwin-Williams store.

ETA...if you have a SW industrial store nearby, you can get the reducer there as well.


Last edited by painter* on Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:22 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:10 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:54 pm
Posts: 10470
Location: Kansas
Lots of molecules are bipolar; alcohols for example. I would think that the best solvents would be what are called aliphatic alkanes or aromatic ring compounds like benzene that are non polar and only very slightly soluble in water. I’m not a chemist but I’m recalling al of this from many college chemistry courses years ago. This stuff is easy to look up.

_________________
"We pulled the trigger, the safety went forward, both barrels fired almost together, the gun opened, ejectors kicked the fired cases over our shoulder ...the most completely automatic gun we ever fired" Elmer Keith- Shotguns by Keith


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:18 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:45 am
Posts: 1666
Applied a couple coats of oil last night. At first glance looks like I should have done a second treatment to get the oil out.

Image

I applied another coat, let it get nearly dry and then went at it with some 600 grit wet/dry paper by hand. This is the process for Watco Danish Oil, it creates a slurry that fills the pores in and takes off the “pustules” left behind when the oil dries.

Image

I didn’t want to lose the figure on the butt by cutting it off for a recoil pad so I’m going with a 5/8 inch Limbsaver.

Upon looking at the wood I think there is a lot of end grain in the grip area, and maybe at least some of the darkness is from that. That’s the story I’m going with anyway.

Image

I’ll let it dry completely now and start spraying tomorrow. Do another sanding with a damp 600 grit paper first.

[url=https://ibb.co/16nq0X2]Image[/url

I enjoy these projects and I always hope to learn something, as I have with this one. In the end I’ll have way too much time into a field grade model 12. But, like I tell my wife, it’ll look good on her sale.


Last edited by McFarmer on Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:45 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:54 pm
Posts: 10470
Location: Kansas
It will take many coats of that oil, but the end result is worth it. That’s the same oil that the Winchester custom shop used according to Pauline.

_________________
"We pulled the trigger, the safety went forward, both barrels fired almost together, the gun opened, ejectors kicked the fired cases over our shoulder ...the most completely automatic gun we ever fired" Elmer Keith- Shotguns by Keith


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:23 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:01 am
Posts: 5617
Location: Newton Kansas
Bob9863 wrote:
I've always used oven cleaner, it works great, spray it on and let sit for half an hour in the sun, rince off with water and repeat.
Done a lot of stocks like that.

Most oven cleaners are Lye-based, extremely alkaline to the point of being corrosive (and not easily washed off (I use oven cleaner for a lot of things)).

I wouldn't think that'd be real good on the wood fibers, but I've got nothing that says absolutely that it's bad.

_________________
I don't always venture out into the sub-freezing darkness, but when I do, it is hunting season, and I carry a Browning. Stay hungry my friends.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:15 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*

Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:51 pm
Posts: 723
If one can find MPK (methyl propyl ketone), it is the solvent that has replaced MEK and acetone in many industrial applications. As a member of the ketone family, it would remove oil quite well, but it has a much lower vapor pressure than acetone or MEK, so it doesn’t evaporate as quickly. Would likely work very well for use on wood stocks. Of course, it also has a funky odor, but we do all this work in well ventilated areas anyway, right?

Good luck and safe shooting.

_________________
Authorized Randolph Ranger dealer * Full-Service Optical Lab

PM or contact [email protected] for details


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:34 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:24 pm
Posts: 8314
Location: Upstate SC
ohio mike wrote:
Acetone bath for at least 24 hours.


^ this.

And it still might not get it completely out.

I just did a hard used BPS stock set. Used Daly’s Ben-Matte finish. Love it, but wish I would have stained the stock first just to get more even coloring.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:41 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:24 pm
Posts: 8314
Location: Upstate SC
As a side note there used to be a guy on here that argued excessively that you couldn’t over-oil guns and that oils didn’t do any harm at all to wood stocks.

Fortunately he quit posting.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:12 pm 
Diamond Grade
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:19 pm
Posts: 1374
Location: NSW Australia
OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
Bob9863 wrote:
I've always used oven cleaner, it works great, spray it on and let sit for half an hour in the sun, rince off with water and repeat.
Done a lot of stocks like that.

Most oven cleaners are Lye-based, extremely alkaline to the point of being corrosive (and not easily washed off (I use oven cleaner for a lot of things)).

I wouldn't think that'd be real good on the wood fibers, but I've got nothing that says absolutely that it's bad.


It's a trick that has worked for years, does an easy and effective job.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/educationa ... n-cleaner/

_________________
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: How do I get this oil out of the stock ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:47 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:54 pm
Posts: 10470
Location: Kansas
Here is how Larry Potterfield does it:
https://youtu.be/Eb7WQTbXUlU




_________________
"We pulled the trigger, the safety went forward, both barrels fired almost together, the gun opened, ejectors kicked the fired cases over our shoulder ...the most completely automatic gun we ever fired" Elmer Keith- Shotguns by Keith


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Registered users: 242Napa, 300Mag, 5 Stand Dan, Anatidae, B.L.E., Barmaleykin, Bing [Bot], Blackdog56, Bobcat Welding, Bop4, Browning90va, ccL, Chasd3, cheecho1960, chilled shot, Chip1975, Chris Ferres, clarksa614, colnz, cootsluicer, dandennis, Darkhorse60, David Spear, DDBach, ded&ded, DEG, Diddle, dogchaser37, drawdc, ellisjre, Emerson, Eriehunter, Ezra Smack, floridaford, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, Gunsite Guy, hoytshooter, ILLINOIS, ithacanut, Jaspo01, jer901, Jet Setter, jml, JNW, Joeracer44, John H, Kentuckycook, Keperkey, komatsu, Krieghoff07, KRIEGHOFFK80, labloverva, LawDog324, LG, LotsOfClays, maggs01, Majestic-12 [Bot], MarcL22, MAX & TOBY, msmith, MSN [Bot], Mule Driver, oinodam, Oldman1949, oneounceload, Pine Creek/Dave, PKW-Indiana, popcorn09, railroad, Road Rat, Rooster booster, Roseinmt, Rudolph31, Safetyfast, Scardog7, scshuey, shacked, shotgunmanny, SierraCJ5, Skeet_Man, southdakbearfan, Stuck-N-Kali, sv10001975, SWPAMike, Tal/IL, Tex, Tex68W, The Happy Kaboomer, Tokamecotom, TwoFourThree, valencman, viking, wboonn, winmod21, Woodson, zxcvbnm


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
© 2017 Carbon Media Group Outdoors    - DMCA Notice