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Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  20ga 1100 parts query

‘Lo all - any y’all along the gulf coast we’re holding good thoughts for and are thinking of y’all as TropStorm Delta hits there! :neutral:

Mods, I am posting this very technical query here in the hopes more eyes will see it as opposed to the Remington Lovers forums):

All the numbers I had for my contacts at Remington are no longer any good so, hoping someone with intricate (encyclopedic) knowledge of the 20ga 1100’s may see this and be able to answer the question (“paging SGW member William R. Wood,” haha!

Q - Is the feed latch interchangeable between the Remington 1100 20 ga “heavy frame” (standard 12ga frames) with serial number SUFFIXes ending with an “X” (or “N”) and any of the other, subsequently later serial number suffixes (“K,” or “U”)?

Asked another way: Q - After Remington DISContinued production of the “heavy frame” (standard 12ga frame) 20ga 1100’s ending in suffixes “X” and/or “N” and went on to produce current production 20ga 1100’s (S/N’s ending in “K” or “U”) did the feed latch change or did that internal receiver part stay the same?


My handwritten notes from two different Remington Armorers schools I completed back in the 80’s and 90’s (Remington’s G. Foster and K. Nickerson presenting) mention the multiple receiver / frames the 20 ga 1100’s were mfr’ed in but also that THERE ARE NO PARTS still in existence for the original “heavy frame” (standard 12ga receiver) 20 ga 1100’s

Background: A close shooting friend brought me his family heirloom 20ga 1100 serial #: “L0336_ _ X” (“L” for 2-3/4” chamber and “X” denoting standard 12ga receiver avail in 20ga up until 1978). (Side note: the barrel codes “L” and “U” matchup respectively with “FEB, 1971” which is when the bequeather originally bought the gun. Bbl is also marked “Skeet.”

UNFORTUNATELY, the feed latch somehow has been bent so that it protrudes wayyyyyy into the receiver (actually blocking the mag tube opening) and way past it’s original orientation jusssst at the edge of the mag tube opening.

At first, I thought I was faced with the fairly simple task of re-staking the feed latch; however; once I got the gun on my bench and disassembled I found the latch is still very, VERY securely staked into its intended channel but, the forward half is bent very badly. (I guess it always be a mystery how that metal part got bent the way it did and not totally relevant at the moment (but my guess is a rag being used to wipe out the inside of the receiver got caught on and “snagged” the lead tip of the latch and then the rag may have been (very) forcefully “ripped” out of the receiver opening. Dunno, don’t matter ...

I am hoping against hope that the part I ordered from Midwest Gun Parts is the correct item and it will fit in this “X” suffix receiver. If not, I am not looking forward to trying to “bend back” that (any!) latch into an orientation that will allow the gun to function again ....

Checking my Kuhnhausen manual and will also try to post a pic while I anxiously await someone with a known answer .... {hs#

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:52 pm ]
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Another pic, different angle ....

Author:  Virginian [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:30 pm ]
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20 gauge standard size 1100 feed latch is NOT interchangeable with anything else. The LW/LT 20 gauge 1100s have a narrower receiver, hence the feed latch looks more like a standard 12 - doesn't have to stick out as far.
Yours possibly got bent when the action bars did not engage properly and then got forced back. Step one, I would unstake it and bend it back. I've done it before. You do not need to re-stake, I have two that are just glued and I have a staking tool. I will never stake another.
Replacement X/N receiver feed latches are available but I can't remember from who at the moment. Not Midway, Brownells, or Numrich I remember that. Do a search.

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:41 pm ]
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Thanks, Virginian! LOL, I was up til 2:30am (literally) this morning searching wo success but, I shan’t give up easily! I hear ya on the staking; I used to armor a large LE agency and alls we had avail then were the old “WHACK It!” re-staking tools - I went ahead and ordered one of the newer “leverage” ones (much more rational, mechanically speaking) but I won’t bother with it, based on your successful experience.

If you do happen to recall who if any have been who might have the appropriate latch please do let me know; this Skeet Gun was a gift brother-to-brother and next will from uncle+father to career USN nephew+son!

Thank you again! {hs#

Author:  casonet [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:50 pm ]
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They have been available on EBay.

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:09 pm ]
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casonet wrote:
They have been available on EBay.


Ah, thank you caseonet {hs# , I don’t “haunt” eBay as much as Amazon but, I‘ve yet to have a bad experience with eBay so, that’s where I headed, with my fingers crossed!

(Funny, every time I see your forum username, my mind flashes back to when “Case” was a regular poster (lawd, I owe him A LOT! :lol:

Appreciate it much - wish me luck!

Author:  casonet [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:16 pm ]
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Yeah, there was a seller in Missouri who had a bunch of them

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:26 pm ]
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Fingers crossed! :-)

Author:  Virginian [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:15 pm ]
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This guy shows some.
https://cfnparts.com/index.php?route=pr ... y&path=572
You can make one out of a standard 12 gauge latch. It's easier if you have one to go by.

Author:  casonet [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm ]
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I think that a friend of mine has one for sale

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:54 pm ]
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Virginian wrote:
This guy shows some.
https://cfnparts.com/index.php?route=pr ... y&path=572
You can make one out of a standard 12 gauge latch. It's easier if you have one to go by.


Virginian, Thank You, Wow! I never even knew about Classic Firearms N’ Parts - It looks his (their?) prices are very good; however; the feed latch for large frame 20ga now shows Out of Stock :-(

Hey! I didn’t know the possibility of retrofitting a standard 12 ha latch was even a spice in the pie and since we do have one to go by .... hehe!


casonet wrote:
I think that a friend of mine has one for sale


casonet, if you could inquire on my behalf I appreciate it; in haste* to help my buddy out, I already ordered a wrong part (at 2am this morning) from Midwest and I have a recurring worry I don’t want to get the wrong part twice from a seller who may not be as knowledgeable as you and your friend is about all these nuances ...

* I wouldn’t have ordered that wrong latch if I had unpacked all the boxes in the basement containing everything I moved from my home shop in MD down here to WNC. Alas, my Kuhnhausen manual and my 3-ring binder from the Remington Armorers Schools were on entirely separate floors of this new to us house! My second greatest fear is that is if I keep letting yard work and goofing off keep me from my setting my reloading / gun shop back up , I won’t get it all the just the way I want it until right before we get too old for this house (too many floors stairs and eventually (10-12 more years) we won’t be able to get up and down the small hill to the lake and boat dock ...


ETA - During my ongoing clanging around the interweb, I came across this gentleman’s 2016 video but, I am still awaiting a reply to the email I sent him inquiring .... Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gRr54JGLoI

Author:  thor_sen [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:39 pm ]
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Virginian, caseonet,

Just an update, I removed the latch and, using all the patience I am capable of, I very carefully bent the latch back straight. I am going to wait for the owner to return to town and then we can test fire the gun with the mag tube fully loaded, etc.

Caseonet, one reason I would sure appreciate you’re checking with you friend (as to whether or not they may have a latch for an original “large grime” 20ga 1100) is, looking back on that fellows YouTube video (posted up thread) I am a bit apprehensive about the fact I seem to recall his pointing to latches with “bends” in them and narrating, “And these fit the old large frame 20ga; however; upon removing the latch from this gun there positively NO bends in the latch itself.

Kinda scratching my head as, even though Kuhnhaussen’s Shop Manual has photographs of all the 1100’s iterations of universal levers there does not appear to be any similar discussion of the type of 20ga 1100 feed latches might be available ...(and testing of any sort)

Author:  casonet [ Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:18 am ]
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I called him and he has one. I just have to go pick it up

Author:  thor_sen [ Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:20 am ]
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PM Inbound (with GRATITUDE!)

Author:  thor_sen [ Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:10 pm ]
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“For the Good of the Order ...” attached is JUST THE TOP HALF of Page 13 of Jerry Kuhnhausen’s seminal book: The Remington M870 and M1100/M11-87 Shotguns; A Shop Manual which goes a good way to illustrating why confusion can often surround the early(iest) 20ga Remington M1100 shotguns ...

In a nutshell (and if anyone spies anything I may have unintentionally misconstrue below, please let me know and I’ll edit following accordingly):

The first 20ga 1100’s produced from 1964 - 1966, Remington simply used 12ga “standard” receivers as the frames for their 20ga 1100’s.

It wasn’t until 1966 that Remington decided the 20ga 1100 deserved its own “20ga standard” frame (BUT if I understand history correctly, THEY KEPT PRODUCING 20ga 1100’s ON 12ga RECEIVERS!)

Then, in 1970, Remington decided to come out with an even smaller-framed 20ga 1100, the “lightweight field model” built on a smaller 2*8* ga frame
(And again, if I understand history correctly, THEY KEPT PRODUCING 20ga 1100’s ON THE EARLIER TWO RECEIVERS - THE “Large” 12ga frames AS WELL AS THE FIRST “20ga standard” frame!) Clearly, the marketing geniuses at Remington had no idea the confusion they were going to create for future generations, haha!

Finally, in 1978, see bottom paragraph of text in attached photo...:

1978 - M1100 LT-20 model becomes standard in all M1100 20 gauge field variations. The earlier, large receiver (12 gauge frame size) 20 gauge M1100 is dropped from factory field model specifications.


Source: The Remington M870 and M1100/M11-87 Shotguns; A Shop Manual; Kuhnhausen, J.; 1992; Heritage-VSP Publications P.O. Box 887 McCall, ID 83638

Author:  casonet [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:35 am ]
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It’s always been my understanding that the LT and the LW were both build in the same smaller frame with the main difference being the barrel extension. Small frame guns are easily identified by the characteristic notch on the upper side of the ejection port. Thanks for the information

Author:  Virginian [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:07 am ]
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You have just made the great discovery - that book contains errors. As well as some opinions and advice I take exception to, but it is still an rather excellent reference.
The 20 gauge 1100s on the 12 gauge size receiver were the same until they dropped them. They did add a "lightweight" version with a mahogany stock set in the 60s, but the receivers were all the same. They were always popular with the Skeet set because of the heavier weight. When sales tapered off, then they dropped them.
The Modell 1100 LW 20 gauge was built on the 28 gauge sized receiver. They utilized an 870 style receiver set up with a short barrel tang and an ejector riveted into the receiver. There were apparently some issues with receivers cracking. I have never seen one with a problem. Remington introduced the LT 20 model with the 12 gauge style long barrel tang with an ejector button on the tang and the scalloped ejection port, which remains in production to this day. The differences between the standard 2-3/4" guns and the 3" Magnum versions were the same as with the 12 gauges - one barrel port and a heavier action sleeve.
The only confusion I am aware of arises when confronting one of the many transition guns produced during the switch over from the LW to the LT. I have seen about ever combination possible with inconsistent rollmarking. But, they all seem to work fine.

Author:  casonet [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:02 pm ]
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This post reminded me of an article in my library about the introduction of the Remington Model 1100 LW and I was challenged to find that article. After a brief search I did find it. It is in my July 1977 issue of "Skeet Shooting Review". The article talks about the differences in the new LW gun and the Standard Weight. It even gives the impressions of those who shot it for the first time. I have made a color scan of the 3 page article and I will provide it to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me a Private Message with your email address.

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:56 pm ]
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casonet, Thank You - that article is a GREAT read! {hs#

I guess it’s easy nowadays to lose sight of just what a landmark the 1100 really represents in the annals of American firearms and what a sea change it was for the consumer market!

There’re quite a few different makes and models semi-auto shotguns in our family but, A WHOLE LOT of reminisce and sentiment occurs whenever the 1100 12ga or 28ga come out of the safe!

Author:  thor_sen [ Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:59 pm ]
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Virginian wrote:
You have just made the great discovery - that book contains errors. As well as some opinions and advice I take exception to, but it is still an rather excellent reference.
The 20 gauge 1100s on the 12 gauge size receiver were the same until they dropped them. They did add a "lightweight" version with a mahogany stock set in the 60s, but the receivers were all the same. ...


Wow, learnt me sumpin’ new - thank ye, Virginian! (Now I have to find a way to very carefully and very finely hand pen that correction in the margins! :lol: )

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