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 Post subject: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:55 am 
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I'm starting to research for a 12g Sporting O/U.

Does anyone that has experience with both of these have an opinion?

I will not be shooting thousands of rounds through either. I would estimate 1-2k per year.

I would like to carry either in the field occasionally for Pheasant, Chukar type hunting and don't mind the gun being a bit heavier since it would not be a primary hunting gun.

The CG's I've seen in person appear very nice and I have a couple of acquaintances that are very fond of them.

I'm just trying to determine if the ~1k price difference matters to me since I could see getting the Fabarm a full year ahead of the CG due to the price.

Fit wise I'm pretty easy to fit at 6"3 - 200lbs. Just about every shotgun I have ever picked up fit me well enough to not be an issue. But the Fabarm already has an adjustable comb included in the price.

Either way I will be buying it from August Crocker and have him fit me as part of the process so I'm more looking for opinions of the two guns based on my stated usage.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:05 am 
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Vortech347 wrote:
I'm starting to research for a 12g Sporting O/U.

Does anyone that has experience with both of these have an opinion?

I will not be shooting thousands of rounds through either. I would estimate 1-2k per year.

I would like to carry either in the field occasionally for Pheasant, Chukar type hunting and don't mind the gun being a bit heavier since it would not be a primary hunting gun.

The CG's I've seen in person appear very nice and I have a couple of acquaintances that are very fond of them.

I'm just trying to determine if the ~1k price difference matters to me since I could see getting the Fabarm a full year ahead of the CG due to the price.

Fit wise I'm pretty easy to fit at 6"3 - 200lbs. Just about every shotgun I have ever picked up fit me well enough to not be an issue. But the Fabarm already has an adjustable comb included in the price.

Either way I will be buying it from August Crocker and have him fit me as part of the process so I'm more looking for opinions of the two guns based on my stated usage.

Thanks.


Considering the relationship between the two brands, this should be interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:22 am 
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Vortech347 wrote:
I'm starting to research for a 12g Sporting O/U.

Does anyone that has experience with both of these have an opinion?

I will not be shooting thousands of rounds through either. I would estimate 1-2k per year.



I don't think you can do any better than Elos N2. It is very soft-shooting, smooth-swinging, has excellent triggers, and already has an adjustable comb. You'll have a very rough time trying to wear it out. At the price, $2,850 MSRP and something like $2500 street, it isn't all that much more than some autoloaders, yet it is more clays gun than many could ever hope for.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:03 am 
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I have the CG and a friend just got the Elos N2. Looks pretty much like the same gun, though the wood is much nicer on the CG and I am not a fan of the not matching (material and color) adjustable comb. We did not shoot my friends new gun as it was going back as he ordered the next model up with the two interchangeable ribs and that was not what was shipped to him.

Handling it, I couldn't really see any difference other then the chokes being different an the cosmetics.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:27 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
Vortech347 wrote:
I'm starting to research for a 12g Sporting O/U.

Does anyone that has experience with both of these have an opinion?

I will not be shooting thousands of rounds through either. I would estimate 1-2k per year.



I don't think you can do any better than Elos N2. It is very soft-shooting, smooth-swinging, has excellent triggers, and already has an adjustable comb. You'll have a very rough time trying to wear it out. At the price, $2,850 MSRP and something like $2500 street, it isn't all that much more than some autoloaders, yet it is more clays gun than many could ever hope for.


For my purposes I'm tending to agree. I would like to afford the nicer cosmetics but it won't break any more clays.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:29 am 
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rkittine wrote:
I have the CG and a friend just got the Elos N2. Looks pretty much like the same gun, though the wood is much nicer on the CG and I am not a fan of the not matching (material and color) adjustable comb. We did not shoot my friends new gun as it was going back as he ordered the next model up with the two interchangeable ribs and that was not what was shipped to him.

Handling it, I couldn't really see any difference other then the chokes being different an the cosmetics.

Bob


I'm with you. The aesthetics are the only thing I don't care for but it's still a decent looking shotgun and the wood can be improved just by applying more oil and gun stock wax.

I did that on my SP1 and it made a very noticeable improvement from the stock finish.

The 1k difference in street price adds A LOT of beauty to the Fabarm. :)

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:52 am 
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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:51 am 
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Randy, thanks for the link and opinions. Do you have experience with the CG Summit Sporting to compare?

The Fabarm is very attractive at it's price point for what you get. But I am a sucker for pretty wood and I have a lot of time to save up.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:03 am 
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Vortech, if you`re a sucker for pretty wood, then save up and get what you want. I hate settling for anything other than what I want.


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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:25 am 
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Qdog002 wrote:
Vortech, if you`re a sucker for pretty wood, then save up and get what you want. I hate settling for anything other than what I want.


Agree, I'll just need to see both in person to decide. Luckily, I'm close to August Crocker and plan to buy from him if CG or Fabarm is the route I go.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:12 am 
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Vortech347 wrote:
But I am a sucker for pretty wood and I have a lot of time to save up.


It sounds like you've already made your decision.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:56 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
Vortech347 wrote:
But I am a sucker for pretty wood and I have a lot of time to save up.


It sounds like you've already made your decision.


Not really which is why I would like to hear from anyone that has experience with both models. I plan to look at other brands, too.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:05 am 
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The CG Summit is more richly finished in terms of oiled walnut and polished blue, which really shouldn't surprise anyone. CG doesn't offer anything less. The best-looking standard CG, to me, is the Magnus Sporting.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:52 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
The CG Summit is more richly finished in terms of oiled walnut and polished blue, which really shouldn't surprise anyone. CG doesn't offer anything less. The best-looking standard CG, to me, is the Magnus Sporting.


True, but it is a lot more moolah too!! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:08 pm 
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I am throwing this question out there hoping someone might have an answer on a gun few have seen
and fewer have owned.
Looking through Fabarms website at specs for the N2 Elos All Sport I noticed it is sold as a
reduced length of pull gun at 14".
The Axis All Sport is standard LOP.
The Axis All Sport sells for over $1000.00 more.
Why should I get an Axis A.S.? Is it + $1000 better?
Why wouldn't someone just add a thicker pad or a spacer to the Elos A.S.and just
roll with it ? I would only need an extra quarter inch.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:26 pm 
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Why wouldn't someone just add a thicker pad or a spacer to the Elos A.S.and just
roll with it ? I would only need an extra quarter inch.


Several people have done just that.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:31 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
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Why wouldn't someone just add a thicker pad or a spacer to the Elos A.S.and just
roll with it ? I would only need an extra quarter inch.


Several people have done just that.

So is the Axis not superior to the Elos?
I'm trying to understand the price difference.
Both have the quick change ribs but I actually prefer the look of the Elos over the Axis
because of the weird sculpted receiver on the later.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:37 pm 
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The Axis is a different action with floating barrels. While different, I wouldn't call it superior ... perhaps someone else would, whatever "superior" is supposed to actually mean.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:11 pm 
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OK then 1 more thing.
I went back on the Fabarm site to look again at the Elos N2 specs.
I see 7.7 lbs. on the Elos N2 and 7.11 lbs. on the All Sport N2.
That's very light for a sporting O/U.
Can anyone comment on recoil after shooting several boxes of standard 1 1/8 Load.?
I shoot lighter reloads but in a heavier gun now.
I see the Axis All Sport comes in at an optimal 8.6 lbs but I only see 1 or 2 used guns
for sale and no new.

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 Post subject: Re: CG Summit Sporting vs Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting - Opinions
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:17 pm 
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My 30 inch Fabarm Elos N2 weighs almost 8 lbs.: it is 7 lbs. 14 oz. unloaded, so it is just over 8 lbs. when you actually use it. It is a soft-shooting shotgun, noticeably softer than the 725 Browning Sporting. If you want to add more weight, Fabarm makes it easy. The 180 gram weight that also fits on the Fabarm AXIS RS 12 models fits right into the buttstock of the ELOS N2, quicky adding about 6.35 ounces if you wish.

The Elos N2 Sporting is a soft shooting gun. As to the N2 All Sport, I've not put that many rounds through one but there is hardly any difference worth talking about.



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