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bamboozler
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Post subject: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:16 pm |
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Pumpster
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:10 pm |
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O.K.
_________________ Frank ___________________ "Pumpster" is because of pumpkins, not pump guns. It's SxS, DT splinter/English for me! Shotguns speak in many voices and fortunate are those of us who hear more than one. May God bless our Union.
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chorizo
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:13 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:59 pm |
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Patriot usa
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:04 pm |
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Niiiice gun; looks like the Zabala one.
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"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...to disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."..
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:00 am |
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Very nice!
Is that a Boss?
Roger.
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Pumpster
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:57 am |
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_________________ Frank ___________________ "Pumpster" is because of pumpkins, not pump guns. It's SxS, DT splinter/English for me! Shotguns speak in many voices and fortunate are those of us who hear more than one. May God bless our Union.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:22 am |
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So is this one of the higher end AA guns made by Grulla?
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:10 pm |
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I don't think so, although I could be wrong. This, to me, looks like a very high end and well made Zabala Hermanos. I don't think that Grulla ever made a gun that was not stocked to the fences --a characteristic for many, of a quality made gun. Not because it is actually "better", but rather more difficult to execute for the gunmaker.
BTW: there is a nice one for sale at Cabela's. Look under "American Guns" in their gun library.
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chorizo
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:33 pm |
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David Dabaco wrote: I don't think so, although I could be wrong. This, to me, looks like a very high end and well made Zabala Hermanos. I don't think that Grulla ever made a gun that was not stocked to the fences --a characteristic for many, of a quality made gun. Not because it is actually "better", but rather more difficult to execute for the gunmaker.
BTW: there is a nice one for sale at Cabela's. Look under "American Guns" in their gun library. I concur.
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Patriot usa
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:35 pm |
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In studying those Derbys before, I can tell by the pin arrangement, and I'm pretty sure it is the Zabala. The Sarriugarte made Derbys had a couple of the pins up higher. Doesn't that one of Bamboozler's look like a back action?
Also, the Sarriugarte is stocked to the fences.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:00 pm |
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ROGER OVER UNDER wrote: Very nice!
Is that a Boss?
Roger. Hell yes, it's a Boss! This Po' Man could never afford the real deal...it's MY Boss! In looking back at the original sales receipt from the wholesaler, Ron Shierk's Shooter's Supplies in Lebanon, PA. I paid $526.95 for the gun new...best money I ever spent. It has never had a problem and has gone BANG each and every time I've pulled a trigger. Patriot usa is correct, it is indeed a Zabala-built Derby. Here are a couple of pics of an American Arms catalog from which described some of their offerings back in the day from when I bought the gun. Note the Derby description..."hand engraved" case colored frame...Hmmmm? 
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chorizo
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:03 pm |
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Back action and coil springs?
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:56 pm |
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Quote: This 12-ga. 3" American Arms Derby w/28" IC/M bbls. has served me well in the duck blind having digested oodles of factory 3" steel loads since 1988. Well guys, I guess here is the exception to the fleur-de-lis rule ( ⚜) in Spanish guns. Still going strong with steel shot. Hmm.  Or was it actually proofed for steel?
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:14 pm |
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Doubtful that it was proofed for steel then.
All I can say is O.K., but not in mine, nor will I recommend it unless it is proofed for steel.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:52 pm |
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Amen.
But they did some strange things in Eibar over the years. My old Grulla 216 two barrel set had 3" chambers in the 12 bore barrels, but no ⚜ It was a DU Banquet gun made especially for DU. Go figure. Why wouldn't it have been steel proofed? Is that sort of Basque perversity Uncle Chorizo?
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chorizo
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:00 pm |
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Someone forgot to ask for it. They would have had it proofed for steel, for a price. That is, if a steel proof was approved and authorized by C.I.P. when they bought it....may not have been.
Was it built for steel? Well, we will never know.
All depends on for what you contract.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:09 pm |
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chorizo wrote: Someone forgot to ask for it. They would have had it proofed for steel, for a price. That is, if a steel proof was approved and authorized by C.I.P. when they bought it....may not have been.
Was it built for steel? Well, we will never know.
All depends on for what you contract. Forgot to mention it was a 1995 gun so the proof for steel was in place per EU standards. You are right though, durned DU guys didn't want anybody popping their ducks with it, after they raffeled it off.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:17 pm |
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benedict1 wrote: Quote: This 12-ga. 3" American Arms Derby w/28" IC/M bbls. has served me well in the duck blind having digested oodles of factory 3" steel loads since 1988. Well guys, I guess here is the exception to the fleur-de-lis rule ( ⚜) in Spanish guns. Still going strong with steel shot. Hmm.  Or was it actually proofed for steel? Let me share with you a story... Many years ago I worked with a fellow who every Friday, after work, would get blind drunk and then drive the thirty interstate miles to his home. My first clue was one Friday evening when I found him in the local bar, in the men’s' room, standing at the urinal, head against the wall, asleep. He had fallen asleep while urinating. I woke him up, he staggered back to the bar, paid his tab, staggered to his car and drove away. The next week I talked to him about it, and asked if he wasn’t a little concerned at driving drunk. He replied it was something he had done every week for the last ten years, and never had a problem. That proved he could drive three sheets to the wind. The moral to the story is sometimes it’s easy to mistake being lucky with being safe.
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Post subject: Re: Po' Man's Boss Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:21 pm |
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chorizo wrote: Back action and coil springs? Seems likely. The Zabala lock pictured in this thread is from a Derby two barrel (12/20 ga.) gun. viewtopic.php?f=126&t=206181
_________________ Kyrie Former Moderator of the deceased Spanish_Shotgun_Forum on Yahoo Groups ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spanish_Shotgun_Forum )
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