I am looking at buying a 12 gauge/28" Model 117 from 1959, and wondering how the quality compares with a newer Model 2. Is the primary difference nicer engraving on the #2? Please educate me! Thanks.

Kevin

Kevin,

Different people use the word "quality" to mean different things. What does the word quality meant to you, in this context? It's hard to answer your question about comparative quality without a useful definition for the word.

I can comment on the engraving of the AyA model 2. The "engraving" on the lock plates isn't really engraving; it's roll marked onto the lock plates (frequently a little off-register).

Quality to me means, metal to metal fit, wood to metal fit, strength of the steel.

Thank you, sir, for the reply.

Within those constraints, at each price point, shotguns made by the original AyA in 1959 can have somewhat better fit and finish than a similar price point shotgun made today by the current incarnation of AyA. There is no significant difference in the steel used then and now.

Hope this helps!

Many thanks Kyrie! That's exactly the info I was looking for. Much appreciated.

Kevin

In the early 1960s I believe the No. 2 was priced 50% more than the Model 117 to put it in context.
12 gauge AyA guns are not selling well on the used market. My observation is based on a friend marketing a No. 1, No. 2 and XXV sidelock at very modest prices. Not surprisingly, the short barrels of the XXV has kept it unsold over two years, without even insulting offers.
I think the Model 117 could be a very satisfying gun, if priced right and it fits you well enough.
I have a mid-60s No. 2 in 20 gauge that is a very handsome gun, but plain vanilla wood.

Thank you for the input. I don't see many in my area, but this one is listed at $1,500 and is in very good condition. I'm still on the fence.

Did your friend sell his?

If the gun suits you, $1500 is not a big price these days, assuming condition is right.
What else of comparable quality could you buy?
The No. 1 and No. 2 sold cheaply, particularly when you look at our skinny Canadian dollar.

Fit finish and most notable checkering will not be close to today’s production guns, No2 or even the work horse 4/53, (not a side lock) I have a coupe of the older guns in 12 and 20. I wanted a project side lock that I could take In the mearns mountain hunts without fear of beating up. They are very well build guns that have stood the test of time mechanically. With a little work, sanding, Stock refinishing, filling and fitting I have been very pleased with the results. The checkering is at 16 lpi though, with stray lines, even cleaning it up I would call it serviceable at best. I have found this to be true on almost all Spanish guns until you get into the higher end and even those are not museum grade checkering.