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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:53 am 
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I do not load for 20ga, but this week found factory Remington 3/4oz #8 at 1275fps. I assume they are this fast to cycle gas guns, or maybe just to burn clean, and will check with a Beretta 303's 3" chambered barrel that cycles skeet loads without hiccup. Have any of you shot these shells at clays or game?



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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:16 am 
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I don't see this load on their website. Tell us more. Game loads, Gun Clubs? Lead or steel?

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:16 am 
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Where did you find those?

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:34 pm 
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Interesting... don't show up on Remington site:
https://images.remington-catalog.com/56e0a82e5c79d
https://images.remington-catalog.com/5689a28d747e6


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:31 pm 
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I couldn't find them online either, they were at a local store. Marked as High Velocity Game Loads, "100fps faster than standard game loads!" HV 20-8. They're not marked steel so gotta figure they're lead.

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:47 pm 
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Got around to cutting open one of the HV shells and comparing it to a Rem Clay and Field round. Other than the 6pt crimp it looks like the 8pt Gun Club with different markings and "brass" color. I didn't cut open a Gun Club, figure it's got the same wad as the Clay and Field 7/8oz-1200fps round. Turns out, the HV shell carries the same thing. Powder measured as 14.5gr of a large flake for the C&F and 15.9gr of a similar looking powder in the HV. Shot weights were 396gr for 7/8oz and 355.5gr for 3/4oz. My scale has markings stating they should be 382gr and 328gr. Of course, this was only checking one sample of each of these shells. I'm getting booted around by a pretty good cold this weekend, but will get out eventually to check if they cycle my 303. They may already be discontinued shells, as they're not showing on their website.

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:43 am 
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great pics, and thanks very much for that effort!
That's a really interesting shell, and would be nice to have available. 1200fps 7/8 oz is 18.3 ft lbs in a 6.5 lb gun. The 3/4oz at 1300 fps would be 16.5 ft lbs. So you'd have a reduced recoil load, but still a fast enough 3/4 oz to cycle semi-autos. I'd buy it more for skeet or clays than for game though.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:18 pm 
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Dave in AZ wrote:
great pics, and thanks very much for that effort!
That's a really interesting shell, and would be nice to have available. 1200fps 7/8 oz is 18.3 ft lbs in a 6.5 lb gun. The 3/4oz at 1300 fps would be 16.5 ft lbs. So you'd have a reduced recoil load, but still a fast enough 3/4 oz to cycle semi-autos. I'd buy it more for skeet or clays than for game though.


Well, I am a "shotgun enthusiast" after all! The math comes out to a 13/16 shot charge for that individual shell, maybe it was heavy or maybe they decided it was close enough to stamp them 3/4oz.

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:28 pm 
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They cycled my 303 Beretta and felt similar to 1200fps 7/8oz shells in my M37 Ithaca. Unfortunately I waited too long and missed out on a flat for 50 bux. The shop has Fiocchi 3/4oz at 1075fps but at a few dollars more per box.

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:50 pm 
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Republican wrote:
hehe, - The ¾ ounce "thread of justice", - I love it.

Also, don't forget the Vectan powders for these ¾ oz 20-gauge loads.

If you're Ok with 1200 fps, Vectan's A1 (loosely similar to Green dot) works :

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For 1250-1325 fps, Vectan's A0 is the better choice :

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I started loading Gunclubs with Win 209, CB 1075-20, and 14gr of A1.

Soft shooting and very very clean


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:07 pm 
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.02c. I load and compete with 3/4OZ 20GA. A while back I settled on Green Dot with the new style(longer than the originals) white Winchester WAA20 Wad. Rem STS Hull and Primer. Crimp is a smidge dished, but never leaking. Smokes clays.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:12 am 
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The Gualandi wads are a good fit for the Federal hull. I just loaded some SG20M Gualandi wads with 7/8 ounce of shot and 15.5 grains of Alliant 20/28 powder. Good crimps.

I have ordered some Gualandi SG20L wads to try with 3/4 ounce of shot and 14.5 grains of 20/28. Based on how well the SG20M wad workes with 7/8 ounce the SG20L should be a good fit with 3/4 ounce.

The Gualandi 20 gauge wad is the only wad that actually contacts the the inner wall of the Federal hull just above the powder charge. The Federal hull is a straight wall hull. The Federal hull accepts a Cheddite primer well and the crimp memory is superior to the Winchester Universal hull.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:47 pm 
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My 3/4 oz load:
14.0 gr Universal, CB 1075-20, zero wad pressure, WW 209, 3/4 oz #9s, AA hulls.
Crimps are dished and some shot is found in my vest pocket.
Herd a adding a Cheerio would help, so I loaded a box, but have not had
a chance to try them yet.
Any opinions on performance?
Kindly advise.
Duane


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:29 pm 
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had been meaning for a long time to load some 3/4 oz 20ga. finally did so.......AA hulls, Win 209, 20/28 powder 16.0 grains, CB1075-20 wads. recipe says 1275fps. No. 8 and 8 1/2 shot.
what a great load......knocks the snot out of targets. gonna load lots more.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:44 am 
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rans wrote:
had been meaning for a long time to load some 3/4 oz 20ga. finally did so.......AA hulls, Win 209, 20/28 powder 16.0 grains, CB1075-20 wads. recipe says 1275fps. No. 8 and 8 1/2 shot.
what a great load......knocks the snot out of targets. gonna load lots more.

Why stop there? Join us in developing a 1/2 ounce 20-gauge load.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:51 pm 
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I've been working on 1/2oz loads with pretty good success, and done fit and chrono testing about 2 months ago. Here's my writeup:

https://pipesf16.wordpress.com/low-reco ... 1-2-5-8oz/


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:23 pm 
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I decided to try some 3/4 oz spreader loads.

Fed hull, Fed 209a primer, 16 gr Vectan A-1, 3/4 oz (315 weighed gr) of #8, Gualandi BW-20 with a .135 nitro card under the shot, x-stream insert on top og the card. The 28 gauge nitro card was tight in the short shotcup of the Gualandi wad. A 32 gauge card would be easier.

The crimps were good, but would be better with the shot bushing opened up slightly, or maybe all the way to a full 3/4 oz.

I'll try them at 5 stand this weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:13 pm 
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Bear2 wrote:
My 3/4 oz load:
14.0 gr Universal, CB 1075-20, zero wad pressure, WW 209, 3/4 oz #9s, AA hulls.
Crimps are dished and some shot is found in my vest pocket.
Herd a adding a Cheerio would help, so I loaded a box, but have not had
a chance to try them yet.
Any opinions on performance?
Kindly advise.
Duane


I have loaded and shot a very large number of AAHS and Rem 20 ga hulls with Universal powder, 3/4 oz of Lawrence magnum #9, CB 1075 wad, and Win 209 primer. In my gun (K 80, Briley tubes, 30" barrel) 14.3 gr of Universal in the AAHS hull produces 1196 fps, with a SD of 7 fps, measured over ten shots, Oehler 35P chrono. At 14.9 gr of powder (AAHS hull again) the measured velocity was 1267 fps, SD of 5 fps, over ten shots. I've settled on 14.6 - 14.7 grains for this load going forward - haven't chrono'd it, but expect it to be ~ 1220 to 1230 fps. The 14.0 grains you are loading looks a little light to me.

My crimps are not dished with any of the above recipes.


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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:50 pm 
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3/4oz of #9 shot, rem sts/gunclub hulls, 12gn of promo, cheddite 209 primers, claybuster aa20 wads.

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 Post subject: Re: The 20 gauge 3/4 oz Thread of Justice
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:40 pm 
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I think we should revive this old topic and start a new string all over again of posting.

My reasoning is; that after 10 years we have a whole new generation of shooters coming in and a whole generation of old-timers getting too old for the 12 gauge, shoulder problems, etc.

Also, many people had used the old 700-X formula for 20 GA. which is not recommended.

Besides, if a cow can regurgitate what they consumed at an earlier time, so can we!

A quote: "Life is too short to own an ugly shotgun", you can have one to hunt with, one to shoot clays with, and one just to take out on your birthday and polish it up.




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