What are these wads?

wrfish · **Joined:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2676

I been reloading for years but never paid attention to these wads. The data I was looking for was 1 1/8 straight wall hulls ie Federal Gold Metal. The wads in Question are:
Hor Versalite
Red PC
G/BP 21
Hawk
Trapper
Anyone know what these wads are? Am I missing anything? Claybuster has served me well for years.

Nebs · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:38 pm

Most of those wads are long discontinued. The Hornady Verselite is cloned by DR, see the DRV12. And I think the DR XL 1 1/8 oz. wad may be a clone of the Hawk. Don't know about the others.

saskbooknut · **Joined:** Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:11 am **Posts:** 993

Red Pattern Control is produced Downrange now.

Hal4son · **Joined:** Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 pm **Posts:** 652

I believe the G/BP 21 is a B&P Trap Commander Z21 wad.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Trap- ... fo/020Z21/

oldtechshooter · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:48 pm

Looks like the rest are obsolete

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/sites/ ... ilable.pdf

Hal4son · **Joined:** Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 pm **Posts:** 652

oldtechshooter wrote:

Looks like the rest are obsolete

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/sites/ ... ilable.pdf

The GU 1222 and GU 1225 is the Gualandi Competition Special and Gualandi Spitfire.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/CS12- ... o/072CS12/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Spitf ... o/072SF12/

pitted bore · **Posted:** Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 pm

I posted some information about Trapper wads about four years ago in this forum.

Here's a link to the thread: Help with wad ID

My couple of posts are dated Feb 9, 2016.

Here's an image from that thread:
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--Bob

Skeet_Man · **Posted:** Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:39 pm

Looks like it's time to buy a new loading manual :-)

Hal4son · **Joined:** Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 pm **Posts:** 652

oldtechshooter wrote:

Looks like the rest are obsolete

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/sites/ ... ilable.pdf

The GU2021 is the SG20M wad as listed in this thread. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=400016

Which would make the GU2025 the SG20L wad as described in this thread.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=429147

fishrising · **Posted:** Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:59 am

Skeet_Man wrote:

Looks like it's time to buy a new loading manual :-)

Not to thread jack, but what is the latest and greatest manual to buy? Lyman 50th Edition Reloading manual? Lyman 5th Edition Shotshell Reloading manual?

I’m only concerned with shotshell, but would like the most current data available. I’ve been scouring powder manufacturers’ websites for data but I’d like more options than presented there.

wrfish · **Joined:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2676

Skeet_Man wrote:

Looks like it's time to buy a new loading manual :-)

My question is because these wads are still listed on the Hodgdon reloading site not from an old Lymans manual. The Alliant site appears to be more up to date.

Nebs · **Posted:** Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:20 pm

wrfish wrote:

Skeet_Man wrote:

Looks like it's time to buy a new loading manual :-)

My question is because these wads are still listed on the Hodgdon reloading site not from an old Lymans manual. The Alliant site appears to be more up to date.

This has me scratching my head. Are you denigrating the Hodgdon data because it includes loads that use obsolete wads and exalting Alliant data because it only lists data using wads currently available? I don't get it. There's lots of wads no longer made that still are in circulation. Is Alliant data better because it does not have data for older wads???

oldtechshooter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:02 am

Hal4son wrote:

oldtechshooter wrote:

Looks like the rest are obsolete

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/sites/ ... ilable.pdf

The GU2021 is the SG20M wad as listed in this thread. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=400016

Which would make the GU2025 the SG20L wad as described in this thread.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=429147

I kinda read that link as some obsolete and some have no substitutes. I use a lot of the SG20L wads, love them, and there is no sub for them. I was mostly referring my obsolete comment to the remaining two wads from the OP's list not identified yet, the Hawk and the Trapper.

Hal4son · **Joined:** Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 pm **Posts:** 652

Oldtechshooter- Quoting was meant to add context and clarity. I apologize if it looked like finger waving, it was not intended as such.

However I'm surprised Hodgdon lists the Gualandi wads on that sheet. The retailers can't help but rename wads to fit their marketing/inventory ideas. A guy needs cliff notes to keep them straight.
Hodgdons GU2025 = Precision Reloading TUWG2025 = Ballistic Products SG20L.

pitted bore · **Posted:** Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:06 pm

fishrising wrote:

Not to thread jack, but what is the latest and greatest manual to buy? Lyman 50th Edition Reloading manual? Lyman 5th Edition Shotshell Reloading manual?

I’m only concerned with shotshell, but would like the most current data available. I’ve been scouring powder manufacturers’ websites for data but I’d like more options than presented there.

fishrising-
The Lyman 50th Edition provides data only for metallic cartridges.

Latest and greatest for shotgun reloading? Opinions vary ... widely.

Trying to find data but excluding powder makers leaves a much reduced pool of published and reliable data. Wad importers have data (Ballistic Products and Precision Reloading) but their data selection is even more quirky than powder makers'.

--Bob

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