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 Post subject: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:42 pm 
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New ammo is too cheap.

Odd, but I have a buncha left-over reloading supplies I'd like to use. Mainly I'd like to use them to reduce the clutter in my basement. Of course an added bonus is that any ammo I load with left-overs is free.

But I keep finding new ammo a prices I can't resist. Oink. I'm housebound for another four to six weeks and that would seem like a good time to reload, at least after I am capable of reaching the reloader pulling the handle.

The new ammo makes for less clutter. It stacks real nice on the shelves. It probably makes most sense to leave the new ammo there and load up the left-overs.




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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:00 pm 
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I suggest you load up all your "surplus" as you are able, and then shoot it up first. I did the same thing about 3 years ago, and then quit reloading because I am only shooting 20 & 12 gauge. I also needed the storage/floor space as I don't have a big house.

Since doing that, I find it almost sinful to find a sale and order a year's worth of shells to be delivered. I stack them in a much smaller area than the reloader and supplies took and use the extra time to go shoot or whatever. It has really been quite liberating. I fully understand why some like to reload but after 50 years of doing it, I don't miss it at all.

I even sold off my centerfire rifle equipment although it is VERY cost effective to reload those. I loaded enough rifle ammo to last me the few hunting trips I figure I will still accomplish. Just keeping it simple and clutter free but that is just me. Having said that, if I shot .410, 28 gauge or much centerfire rifle, I would still be reloading.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:02 pm 
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Let me know when you find 410 factory for less than $3.25 a box, because that's what my reloads cost.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:43 pm 
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John Henry wrote:
Let me know when you find 410 factory for less than $3.25 a box, because that's what my reloads cost.


I am just curious what .410 or 28 gauge net cost would be if only using the most reloadable hulls and then selling the hulls. It is only my curiosity and as I said, if shooting much .410, 28 gauge, 16 gauge, or centerfire rifle I would still reload. I am by no means, questioning why anyone reloads. After all, I did it for many, many years.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:01 pm 
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I reload BECAUSE factory ammo is too cheap. The word "cheap" has two meanings.

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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:15 pm 
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Interestingly, I think ammo has gotten less expensive over the years. I still have a box of 16 gauge Winchester 1 1/8 oz of #6 shot that I bought in 1975 from Grant's, of all places. Original price was $3.27/box. That's $15.83 today with inflation. I bought the same load from Winchester today at Walmart for $9.97/box. Significantly cheaper.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:22 am 
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oyeme wrote:
John Henry wrote:
Let me know when you find 410 factory for less than $3.25 a box, because that's what my reloads cost.


I am just curious what .410 or 28 gauge net cost would be if only using the most reloadable hulls and then selling the hulls. It is only my curiosity and as I said, if shooting much .410, 28 gauge, 16 gauge, or centerfire rifle I would still reload. I am by no means, questioning why anyone reloads. After all, I did it for many, many years.


Figure $10/box new and 3-3.75 back selling empties. So $6-7 net best case scenario. Reload for upper 3s to low 4s. Reloading .410 and 28 saves around 40% over selling empties.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:34 am 
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Thank you for the price analysis.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:09 pm 
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Most of the cheap new ammo comes with FREE extra recoil.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:15 pm 
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Here is how cheap ammo works.
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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:41 pm 
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B.L.E. wrote:
I reload BECAUSE factory ammo is too cheap. The word "cheap" has two meanings.


Ditto


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:01 pm 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
oyeme wrote:
John Henry wrote:
Let me know when you find 410 factory for less than $3.25 a box, because that's what my reloads cost.


I am just curious what .410 or 28 gauge net cost would be if only using the most reloadable hulls and then selling the hulls. It is only my curiosity and as I said, if shooting much .410, 28 gauge, 16 gauge, or centerfire rifle I would still reload. I am by no means, questioning why anyone reloads. After all, I did it for many, many years.


Figure $10/box new and 3-3.75 back selling empties. So $6-7 net best case scenario. Reload for upper 3s to low 4s. Reloading .410 and 28 saves around 40% over selling empties.


I sure do agree. I shoot only 3-5 boxes of 410 a year, so I don’t reload it, but buy a case ever other year when I can find on sale. On the other hand, I load 28 ga for less than half of new shells. And I shoot it much more. So, I have not fired a factory 28 ga in many years.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:50 pm 
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See my post in the Gun Control Forum about Connecticut enacting a 35% ammo excise tax this legislative session to fight "urban gun violence". On all metallic and non-metallic ammo.

Now take that $5.00 box of Remington Gun Clubs or Winchester Super Target from Walmart and add 35% and tell me again how "cheap" factory ammo is! A $15 box of Fiocchi Golden Pheasant for $20.

I think I will reload.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:48 pm 
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simslax wrote:
See my post in the Gun Control Forum about Connecticut enacting a 35% ammo excise tax this legislative session to fight "urban gun violence". On all metallic and non-metallic ammo.


Has that proposal been passed by the legislature and signed by the governor?


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:03 pm 
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simslax wrote:
See my post in the Gun Control Forum about Connecticut enacting a 35% ammo excise tax this legislative session to fight "urban gun violence". On all metallic and non-metallic ammo.

Now take that $5.00 box of Remington Gun Clubs or Winchester Super Target from Walmart and add 35% and tell me again how "cheap" factory ammo is! A $15 box of Fiocchi Golden Pheasant for $20.

I think I will reload.



I know, its absolutely disgusting!


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:03 am 
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When you say new ammo is cheap, much depends upon what you're looking for. If you're loading high quality loads with high antimony shot, reloading is still cheaper. So, comparing reloads to AA, Federal Gold Metal, Rem STS, etc, I can reload cheaper (but I have to be picky about what shot I buy). Works for handicap trap loads.

For sub-gauges, .410, 28, 20, 16, you can almost always reload cheaper.

Hunting loads are pretty much always cheaper to reload...and you have the satisfaction of hunting with your own stuff.

However...for skeet or 16 yd trap....ya, its hard to beat the cost of "discount" shells.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:29 am 
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Show Me and I have always been on opposite sides of the reloading question but I don't think reloading is for everybody.

I enjoy it as a hobby and I can easily produce 12 gauge 7/8 oz. loads which aren't available in my area. I don't like to have ammo shipped as I've had problems with lost shipments in the past. I'm retired and my time is my own. I get paid the same every month whether I watch TV or reload shotshells. For those who aren't retired yet, believe me, you need some hobbies instead of just sitting around watching the news and getting all worked up. I believe that my ammo is of premium quality which gives me the confidence to shoot better with it. When I travel or shoot a tournament, I buy factory ammo and throw away the empties to keep from being distracted by collecting empties or having to travel with them. When I was working, I didn't reload because I didn't have the time and saving a few cents per shell wasn't worth the effort.

At the current cost of non premium 12 gauge shells, I can see why many don't bother to reload. I just shot a charity tournament and really liked the tournament provided Fiocchi shells. I could live with shooting Gun Clubs if I had to and I'm sure I'd get used to them and shoot just as well. But instead, I continue to poke along with my Mec Sizemaster and produce about 600 to 800 reloads a month on rainy or snowy days. My equipment has been paid for many times over. If I shot more, I'd have to invest in a progressive loader which would cause me to really consider the cost versus the payback. For the above reasons, I'd probably still keep reloading.

Show Me, I don't know what your physical ailment is but I hope you recover quickly and get back to shooting. Have fun with your reloading in the mean time.


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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:39 am 
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oyeme wrote:
John Henry wrote:
Let me know when you find 410 factory for less than $3.25 a box, because that's what my reloads cost.


I am just curious what .410 or 28 gauge net cost would be if only using the most reloadable hulls and then selling the hulls. It is only my curiosity and as I said, if shooting much .410, 28 gauge, 16 gauge, or centerfire rifle I would still reload. I am by no means, questioning why anyone reloads. After all, I did it for many, many years.


Back when Academy sold WIN 28 gauge AA ammo for $89/flat; you could have a net cost of $4/box by selling the empties for at least $3/box and taking advantage of the $2/box Win rebate. With the price now $11/box, it would be $6/box; still not a bad price, but not as close to the $3.50 or so for reloads............

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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:07 pm 
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simslax wrote:
See my post in the Gun Control Forum about Connecticut enacting a 35% ammo excise tax this legislative session to fight "urban gun violence". On all metallic and non-metallic ammo.

Now take that $5.00 box of Remington Gun Clubs or Winchester Super Target from Walmart and add 35% and tell me again how "cheap" factory ammo is! A $15 box of Fiocchi Golden Pheasant for $20.

I think I will reload.

Or buy ammo in New Hampshire.

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 Post subject: Re: New ammo is too cheap
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:58 pm 
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I bought Gun Clubs for $5 box . One or two out of each box leaked the bb's out.That has never happened before. I have to inspect each one before inserting in the gun ,I can't trust them. My reloads have never done that.




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