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 Post subject: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:27 am 
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We (kiddo and I) are beginning our journey into shotshell reloading. I feel we have collected the needed basics and are ready to begin. Until; I recently read about adding a disc after dispensing the lead shot.

Q: Is it common to use the discs? If sometimes, what are some indicators that will let me know if I need to add them?

Thanks in advance for your time.



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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:35 am 
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Half Dog wrote:
Q: Is it common to use the discs? If sometimes, what are some indicators that will let me know if I need to add them?




IMHO the only reasons you need a disc (filler) is when you dont have the correct stack height, the shot rattles after crimping or you have hulls with a hole in the center of the crimp that shot leaks from, poor machine set-up. I have been reloading for over 20 years and never needed them.


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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:53 am 
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The Winchester WAA12L (grey wad) or the Clay Busters CB0178-12 which is a clone of the WAA12L were made for 7/8 ounce loads in Winchester AA or Remington STS, Nitro, Gun Club, and Clay and Field hulls. No need for filler disks.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:05 am 
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B.L.E. wrote:
The Winchester WAA12L (grey wad) or the Clay Busters CB0178-12 which is a clone of the WAA12L were made for 7/8 ounce loads in Winchester AA or Remington STS, Nitro, Gun Club, and Clay and Field hulls. No need for filler disks.

Depending on powder density the 1 oz wad might be a better choice in AAHS hulls. I use it with Vectan A24, and a buddy uses it for his Clay's load.


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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:29 pm 
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B.L.E. wrote:
The Winchester WAA12L (grey wad) or the Clay Busters CB0178-12 which is a clone of the WAA12L were made for 7/8 ounce loads in Winchester AA or Remington STS, Nitro, Gun Club, and Clay and Field hulls. No need for filler disks.

Depending on powder density the 1 oz wad might be a better choice in AAHS hulls. I use it with Vectan A24, and a buddy uses it for his Clay's load.

Unless you are using the super dense Titewad powder, that is almost always correct.

If you have/like AA HS hulls, and fancy a high performing, consistent, easy to assemble, and a "cheap" load, go to Graf & Sons, get load up in that Vectan AS (because yer gonnas need it anyway), and load up this load :

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:45 pm 
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I was given some Vectan to try. While it wasn’t necessarily bad, I gave it back. Went back to Alliant. Xtra Lite plus the grey wad is a great combination.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:01 pm 
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I was given some Vectan to try.

While it wasn’t necessarily bad, I gave it back.

LOL, Smart man, - you did the right thing....

Never accept 'Vectan' powder w/o even knowing what kind of Vectan it is. ;)
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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:40 pm 
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Loaded 4300 of Gray AA with the CB0178-12 (gray one) work okay so far. Us clays now was using WINLite but ran out. Has no problem braking clays.


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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:22 am 
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Halfdog, what load have you settled on? Hull, powder, primer, wad, how much shot?? What kind of loader do you plan on using?

And when you say "disc," what, specifically, are you referring to?

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:38 pm 
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Thank you all for your responses.

What I called a disc is actually an “overshot card”.
For our first attempt we have:
Clay Dot
Remington 209 primers
CB4100-12 wads
Gun Club hulls
7-1/2 magnum shot

Any input is greatly appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:53 pm 
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Half Dog wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.

What I called a disc is actually an “overshot card”.
For our first attempt we have:
Clay Dot
Remington 209 primers
CB4100-12 wads
Gun Club hulls
7-1/2 magnum shot

Any input is greatly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:09 pm 
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Half Dog wrote:
Thank you all for your responses.

What I called a disc is actually an “overshot card”.
For our first attempt we have:
Clay Dot
Remington 209 primers
CB4100-12 wads
Gun Club hulls
7-1/2 magnum shot

Any input is greatly appreciated.
The load ought to fit. Have you experienced a problem with dished crimps? Is this the reason you mentioned discs? And I assume you plan on 1 oz. of shot. How much powder do you plan to drop? What reloader are you using?

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:03 am 
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I've loaded about 9000 AA with CB1078-12 using ExtraLite in both 9's and 7 1/2s. Stack height is critical, as is precrimp, but the load is consistent, clean, and hits hard (when properly choked).

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:25 pm 
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pintailwizard wrote:
I've loaded about 9000 AA with CB1078-12 using ExtraLite in both 9's and 7 1/2s. Stack height is critical, as is precrimp, but the load is consistent, clean, and hits hard (when properly choked).

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:42 pm 
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The reason for the overshot card, is the CB4100-12 wad is made for 1 oz. loads. The overshot card will help flatten the crimp using that wad.

A better wad choice is the Claybuster CB0178-12, it is made for 7/8 oz. loads. No overshot cards and nothing else to put in the load.......primer, powder, wad, shot, crimp....... the way it should be.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:50 pm 
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The reason for the overshot card, is the CB4100-12 wad is made for 1 oz. loads. The overshot card will help flatten the crimp using that wad.

A better wad choice is the Claybuster CB0178-12, it is made for 7/8 oz. loads. No overshot cards and nothing else to put in the load.......primer, powder, wad, shot, crimp....... the way it should be.
The uber-bulky Clay Dot ought to boost the stack height obviating the need for anything to take up space.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
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Ought to and does are two different items.

If you have ever worked with the Claybuster Windjammer 1 oz. clone, you get a slight dish with 1 oz. loads in Remington hulls.

You are talking about 1/8" of shot to make up plus whatever that CB4100-12 is short in the Remington Unibody hulls to begin with. It would have to be at least as bulky as the Vectan powders.....which it isn't.

Nebs you really do guess a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:19 pm 
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I load 7/8 oz. all the time for Skeet. I use 17.5 or 18.0 grains of Titewad and the gray CB wad intended for 7/8 oz. Works great with AA and Gun Clubs with no adjustments. No disks.


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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:55 am 
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Thanks for the great responses.

I got the “recipe” from the Alliant web site. We are looking forward to seeing the results. It seems we should try different wads when these are gone.

I will be getting a MEC 650N and we are excited to begin.

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 Post subject: Re: 12 gage 7/8 oz #7-1/2
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:16 am 
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I will be getting a MEC 650N and we are excited to begin.



One of my Dad's little sayings was " it does not take that much longer to save up for the very best"

What he was talking about in this case was when I was going about buying hand tools, following that advice I still own all the Milwaukee and Porter Cable stuff I bought as a young adult.

Please save up a few more weeks and buy a Grabber. Its the same machine as a 650 except it resizes as part of the process. Do not listen to the "you shot them in the same gun you dont need to resize" guys, I am living proof that is not true as I once owned a 650 in 410.


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