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 Post subject: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:23 pm 
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This is definitely not an apples to apples comparison and ONLY my thoughts after 125 rounds of each load, shooting on 2 different FITASC Parcours alone with no one yipping in my ear and no outside distractions. Targets were 20 yards to 50 yards in distance, everything from a short lazy looping target to full on crossers that were curling and many variations in between.

The two loads were:

Federal Top Gun hull
Federal 209A
18.5 Grains 700-X
CB6100-12 wad
1 oz. West Coast Magnum #7.5
1,250 FPS (not sure about the pressure because I subbed the wad and the hull but the velocity was actually measured. It is derived from a Federal Gold Medal load)


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Winchester 209
18.0 Grains American Select
DR-16 wad,
3/4 oz. West Coast Magnum #7.5

1339 FPS 9,480 PSI (Tom Armbrust tested the load)

Don't get your panties in a twist read what I have to say, before making judgments based on gauge and velocity.

I did my normal practice routine, choose a peg on the parcours, shoot each target as a single twice, then pick a simo pair (voice release can only do simos) and shoot the pair 4 times in a row. I did that multiple times on one peg per parcours, shot as many different pairs as I could. I shot all 125 rounds in the 16 ga. first and then shot the 12 ga. because the guns are completely different. The 12 gauge had a U3 Muller (0.020") The 16 gauge had a U2 (0.012") and a U3 (0.023").

I could not tell that I was using a 3/4 oz. load to break the targets. There wasn't any target I couldn't break with the 3/4 oz. load. Targets that I had trouble breaking with the 3/4 oz. load, I had trouble breaking using the 1 oz. load.

The one difference that I did notice was with the 16, which I normally use either 7/8 or 1 oz loads for clay targets......The U2 was not enough choke for my liking with the 3/4 oz. loads. Until today I had never seen a difference in the hits between the two chokes until you were shooting the 50 yard stuff. Today I could see the difference at shorter distances. The U3 chokes in both gauges gave similar results even with the 50 yard targets.

I developed the 3/4 oz. load several years ago so I wouldn't beat up the wood some of my older shotguns with excessive recoil and I normally load them down to 1,250 FPS. Today I didn't load them down.

I will not give up my 1 oz. loads any time soon. Probably not until there is a rule change. I do think that there is the potential to give up a few targets using the 3/4 oz. load and I am not willing to find out the hard way in competition. Since you normally get punches by only 1 or 2 targets, it isn't time to gamble. Now in the fall when I put my 12 gauge away and shoot the 16 for sporting clays, I might try the 3/4 oz. load out then and see what happens. Might just try it for side events too.



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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:30 pm 
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FWIW, the 12 gauge is a Benelli SS, 30" barrel that I shoot Sporting and FITASC with. The 16 gauge is a Browning Citori, 28" barrels that I shoot some Sporting with but mostly use it to hunt with.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:38 am 
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interesting post, good data, thx!
I shoot all my skeet with 3/4oz (12, 20, 28) or 1/2oz 410. 16ga I do 1oz Herters. That's a lot easier at 22yds and easy tracks, than your shots. It takes someone like you with experience and skill to do a test like this, for me to believe longer range 3/4oz info. Thanks much for doing it and posting!


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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:13 am 
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Dave,

Thanks for the kind words. I was pretty surprised with those 3/4 oz. loads. I started out on the toughest Parcours, which are all fairly long targets that are set to dip, curl, fade out and in etc. The targets are reset often and I hadn't ever seen these targets before. Probably not the best comparison but I figured if I can break these targets with 3/4 oz. load in a shotgun that really isn't a clays shotgun, that would give me a good idea on what to expect. Typically I break about 5 - 7 targets more per 100 using the Benelli over the Citori on a real sporting clays course.

At some point I will probably buy some 3/4 oz. wads and try it with the 12 gauge.....just not too sure the Benelli will cycle the 3/4 oz. loads......although it does fine with 7/8 oz. loads.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:18 am 
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Good stuff, Mark. I once had a little 16 ga. Belgian OU that I wanted to baby a little with light loads. The one time I shot half a sporting clays course with it using 3/4 oz loads I recorded a 46/50. Maybe a lucky day, but it impressed me nonetheless.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:44 am 
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I agree about the chokes. When I first started loading 3/4oz 12 gauge, I found the patterns with the IC to not be as good as I wanted them to be. Switching to either a LM or M seemed to make a big difference. I run my 12 ga loads at 1275 (over a chrono) and they work great for practice.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:24 am 
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I've shot 3/4oz loads for years in the 12ga, but the CB-0175-12 is used, one designed for 3/4oz loads. I use to load em at 1200fps but found they pattern too tight shooting skeet. Now I load over 1300fps and I get pretty nice breaks out to 40 yds with just I/C or LM. About all my shooting is with old SxSs, so light loads are my friend seeing how they don't recoil hardly at all. Just had a nice round of SCs using them.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:25 pm 
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Dave,

Thanks for the kind words. I was pretty surprised with those 3/4 oz. loads. I started out on the toughest Parcours, which are all fairly long targets that are set to dip, curl, fade out and in etc. The targets are reset often and I hadn't ever seen these targets before. Probably not the best comparison but I figured if I can break these targets with 3/4 oz. load in a shotgun that really isn't a clays shotgun, that would give me a good idea on what to expect. Typically I break about 5 - 7 targets more per 100 using the Benelli over the Citori on a real sporting clays course.

At some point I will probably buy some 3/4 oz. wads and try it with the 12 gauge.....just not too sure the Benelli will cycle the 3/4 oz. loads......although it does fine with 7/8 oz. loads.

I have never seen a Benelli that would cycle a 3/4 oz loading.

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Me either, I don't have high hopes that it will cycle 3/4 oz. loads.
.....and I don't think it is something I would invest much time in.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:54 am 
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my Benelli cant do 3/4 oz. i thought about ramping some up too get the minimum cycling.
its a monty, and it is well cared for and lubricated. it can cycle 7/8oz loads at 1450. i had one stoppage or 2 in a hundred. anything afterthat its a dream gun.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:18 am 
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My Model 1100 Tournament Skeet will cycle them most of the time and both my VersaMax and my Skeet Super X One Skeet model will cycle them all of the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:38 am 
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My SS will cycle 7/8 oz. @ 1250 FPS. Haven't tried 7/8 oz. at a lower velocity, not really all that interested in it to be honest.

I just wanted to try 3/4 oz. at something other than skeet to satisfy my curiosity.

Just like every other time I have tried a different load, the actual results are really not different than any other load I have ever tried.

It comes down to this for me.

Using a 3/4 oz. load is giving up something in the neighborhood of 88 pellets over a 1 oz. load. That is a 26% reduction in pellet count. If the person standing next to me, with similar skills is shooting a 1 oz. load and I am using 3/4 oz., I am putting myself at a disadvantage, and that doesn't strike me as an intelligent decision.

As far as recoil goes. I shoot an autoloader with 1 oz. loads at 1250 FPS......recoil is not an issue.

Casonet,

Yeah I know that gas guns will cycle 3/4 oz. loads. I only tried 3/4 oz. loads for ha-ha's, and I don't see spending another $1500 to $2000 just to be able to shoot a load I won't ever use.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:41 pm 
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I load 3/4 oz in everything larger than the .410, because I no longer shoot competitive skeet and it’s just fine for casual shooting with the boys.

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casonet,

For having fun, that seems like a perfect plan for 3/4 oz. loads. No recoil and the targets break.

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It also saves a little money on the shot

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:08 pm 
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A Fabarm XLR5 will cycle 3/4 oz. I had some left over from shooting skeet, using N100 and Extralite powders. N100 is faster than TiteWad and for me burns cleaner. I put in a U3 and was surprised how effective they were at sporting clays. I shot them after shooting the 100 bird corse to work on certain targets. My subconscious could tell the difference on recoil even with a auto. I am thinking of loading more for practice purposes. What I fount out the 35+ targets I could see a more definitive non centered target break. This for me would be helpful in knowing were my shot was at, and the recoil reduction is a plus.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:16 pm 
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I use the 3/4 oz for shooting clays. They work good so far over 6,000 no problems. Use pump shotguns.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:58 pm 
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I am a " newbee " regards shotshell reloading and am looking for information how to SAFELY convert 20 gauge 7/8 oz shot load date to load 1/2 oz, 5/8 oz and 3/4 oz shot and/or slug loads for a 20 gauge Mossberg SA20.

I have the Lyman 5th Edition, BPI's Advantages Manual in addition to other load data info, with ONLY BPI providing data but for THEIR stocked Euro hulls -

I have Rem Prem STS hulls mostly with WIN 209, CCI 209 and CCI 209M primers.

There has to be " SOME FORMULA / CONVERSION TABLE " to be able to reduce the powder charge in relation to the shot / slug charge to accomplish producing a safe reduced recoil load.

I have commercial made slugs by Remington ( Slugger ) which have 1/2 oz and 5/8 oz slugs,
Also Winchester has the Super X 3/4 oz slug @ 1600 FPS

Therefore, it is obviously DOABLE !

Clue me in as to WHERE and/or HOW I can access the necessary info to emulate what the Big Boys are doing !

Thanks in advance, Ed


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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:19 pm 
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From 7/8 to 3/4 drop less shot in the proper 3/4oz wad; works great

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:59 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
From 7/8 to 3/4 drop less shot in the proper 3/4oz wad; works great


Could you possibly expound on that ?

I assumed that my QUESTION was EXPLICIT -

Whereas your REPLY is VAGUE




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