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 Post subject: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 am 
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Never used them. What should I know?




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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:26 am 
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I stumbled into 3k myself, have not used them yet but I was told to treat them as a Winchester 209

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:08 am 
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Very consistent. Look for pierced primers though. Bottom angled firing pin on browning ou guns.tend to pierce them a lot. I got 24 out of 100 pierced once one day, just 100 I happened to segregate in one empty bag, but was shooting 3 guns and couldnt match it up with a gun. However, I've never seen that large.percentage again, maybe a couple per box. So it may have been my sa08 12ga, first.firing that day.

Doesn't worry me, mostly shoot my 682 or cynergy, firing pin is $12 for either if its an issue ever.

They are my preferred primer for steel duck loads, good consistent ignition but lower pressures than fed209a or rio209 for me when testing. But usually result in lowest std devs, so I like to use them for test loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:14 am 
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Been shooting them in my 391 with no problems. They toasted my Rizzini firing pins. I follow W209 recipes.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:30 am 
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Have reloaded and shot over 15,00 in 12 and 20 ga. reloads. Only problem now is I cannot find any for sale!

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:37 am 
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Have reloaded and shot over 15,00 in 12 and 20 ga. reloads. Only problem now is I cannot find any for sale!

Ballistic Products, Lohman's and Reloading Unlimited has them.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:08 pm 
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Would they be a good fit for Rio 12 ga hulls?


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:11 pm 
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No. Rio primers have a larger diameter

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:46 pm 
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The piercing primers/torching of Browning firing pins is real. Only takes a few. FP on my 12ga cx and 20ga cxs are eroded now, but not misfiring. I'm burning thru my last 2000 and will go with Win from now on. I love Browning's so they're not worth the 10$ I save on a sleeve.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:14 pm 
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I just shot 180 reloads with Cheddite primers through my Remington 1100 and I examined every single one carefully: not even one was pierced or anything close to it. The 1100 produced a soft dimple in each primer with nicely rounded edges. Your results may vary.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:21 pm 
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Yah I should note that I shoot a zillion ch209 in my 682 with tubes, in 28ga, 20ga, and 12ga, and have zero problems with them there.

The ch209 is the same size as W209 if not smaller, I don't care what anyone says... I can press a ch209 into some hulls I reload with my thumb, pull them out, then barely press a w209 in there. These are Herters/cheddite 12ga hulls I use for steel duck loads. In these cases I smack the primer pocket with a primer pocket conditioner or socket wrench extension to tighten up the pocket if I want to use the cheddites. CX2000/ch209.

For Rio hulls, and NOT ones made for Fed under contract for the Federal Field and Target from the Rio plant at Marshall TX before they shut down, but real Rio hulls, you need a Rio209, a NobelSport209, or a Fio209 to fit without resizing the primer pocket.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:03 pm 
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I have a few thousand cheddite primers that i load in the black Rem hulls for identification purposes and shoot them in my 1187 premier skeet with no problems. The O/Us get ether Winchesters or CCI209m.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 pm 
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Been shooting Cheddite primers off & on for about 15 years through Beretta 682s, 391, A400 Multitarget, Browning Maxus, Ithaca SKB, & Ruger Gold Label. I would guess over 100,000 at least. I don't check every one shot, but of over 70% of them that I reloaded, I've never seen a pierced primer. They have been reported by many sources as a direct replacement for W209 in any reload recipe. I haven't bought any Rem, Win, or Fed primers in over 15 years. I did try about 30,000 Noble primers and other than throwing the shells they were loaded in away after switching back to Cheddites, they never gave me any pierced primers in any of my guns either.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:20 am 
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The pierced primers are caused by the length and angle of the firing pin. Not the primers themselves. K guns, Browning and Rizzini have problems that I know of. Once the pins get ragged they can pierce just about any primer.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:13 am 
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T-Pee wrote:
LilBoog wrote:
Have reloaded and shot over 15,00 in 12 and 20 ga. reloads. Only problem now is I cannot find any for sale!

Ballistic Products, Lohman's and Reloading Unlimited has them.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:23 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
The pierced primers are caused by the length and angle of the firing pin. Not the primers themselves.


How do you explain the many posters that report piercing only with Cheddite primers?


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 am 
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It seems to be associated with Browning O/U guns: specifically the lower firing pin because of the depth of penetration and the angle. There are many posts here about that problem not limited to this thread

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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:26 pm 
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Concur with casonet.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheddite primers
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:05 pm 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
The pierced primers are caused by the length and angle of the firing pin. Not the primers themselves.


How do you explain the many posters that report piercing only with Cheddite primers?

What guns are they shooting? Not all guns pierce the primers, only certain ones. As stated Browning and K guns seem to have the most issues. Ottsville will outright tell you not to use Cheddite in a Kgun. The length and angle of the firing pins vary. Browning has a long and extensive issue with firing pins in Citori shotguns.




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