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 Post subject: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:39 pm 
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Hi,

After an over 30 year hiatus from owning a 16ga, I finally purchased a new A5 Sweet 16 a month ago. I have stocked up on a dozen boxes of Herter's shells to carry me through grouse season and a trip to SoDak in a couple of weeks from now.

And when winter hits and it is dark and cold outside, I'm going to look for a MEC 600Jr to add to the 28ga version I currently have. So I will need to find hulls to reload. Which do you guys prefer? Will be used for a mix of target and grouse hunting with a bit of pheasants also. There will be a need for a box or so of non-toxic shot also. Though I've got a couple boxes of Boss bismuth on it's way to me.

Any favorite recipes? I see Longshot is a crossover between the 28 and 16. I do keep that around for general purpose target loads in my 28ga.



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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:04 pm 
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The very best hulls that were ever made are the Winchester/Olin compression formed. These are hard to find and will cost you, but they are without doubt the best. They haven’t been made in over 25 years. A close runner up is the black Remington SP with a plastic basewad. Third would be the purple Federals with a paper basewad. That’s about it for domestic hulls unless you can find some Activ hulls. They are very good second only to Winchesters. As far as European hulls go, I lump them all together: Fiocchi, Cheddite, Rio etc. with Fiocchi being the very worst. I hear RST makes a good hull, but I haven’t tried any. Recipes are published. Check the reloading guides

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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I have some Cheddite, labelled Multi Hull from BPI, that are good hulls, much more durable than Remington Black Game hulls in 16 gauge.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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I like the Remington hulls the best

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:00 pm 
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I get up to 10 reloads on those black Remingtons before they go to pot.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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casonet wrote:
I get up to 10 reloads on those black Remingtons before they go to pot.

Bless your heart.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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The best 16 ga. hulls currently are Cheddite's, they last the longest. I normally get 5 -7 reloads using them.

The next in line are the Federal's. My favorite.

The Remington's are easy to reload but, you can't normally get but 2 to 3 reloads. The last batch that I have are on the 3rd reload and still look good. Maybe things have changed.

Fiocchi's can be tough to reload because the plastic is soft, but they are an option.

It's true that the old Winchester CF hulls are good but, IMHO the price that folks are asking for them is ridiculous, they just aren't that good. I can almost buy twice the amount of new primed Cheddites for the same price.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:24 pm 
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I couldn't get three loads out of the Remingtons.
So far for me the best are the Cheddites/BP Multihull/newer Winchesters (not AA).
I just started with some new Fiocchi hulls. I like them so far.
I have read where people do not like them. Federals are OK.
Consider a Grabber instead of a single stage.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:02 pm 
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I cannot see how anyone could get more than 3 loads from Remington Black Game hulls.
They are split crispy critters after 3 uses, in my experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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Well, opinions are all over the place. Longevity depends on how you load them. In my case I load them very very mild. Bottom line is that I would not pass up ANY 16 ga hull

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Bottom line is that I would not pass up ANY 16 ga hull


I agree with that!!

Remington 16 ga. hulls of late, seem to be more resilient than some of the older ones. There are some reports on 16ga.com claiming the same experience. I have noticed it also and I do not reload on the mild side.

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So as not to make changes to the press, I only load the 16 Gauge Remington Game hulls. For me, they load like Gun Clubs and hold up just fine. I really do not want any more than 3 or 4 reloads to begin with.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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You can buy a flat of Winchester Super X Hi Brass for $135. A little expensive but the hulls will last 8 to 10 reloads. Money well spent IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:38 am 
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Interesting reading. I've used an 11-48 in 16 gauge for doves for years. I bought 5-6 cases of Winchester Super X's back in the early 90's, and I think I'm down to about a case of new shells.

Glad to see the hulls I've saved were worth the effort.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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If they are one piece compression formed, save them. There will never be any more and they will bring good money should you ever decide to sell them

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:32 pm 
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casonet wrote:
If they are one piece compression formed, save them. There will never be any more and they will bring good money should you ever decide to sell them


They are. IIRC these were probably bought in the early 90's.

Not making anything like they used to!


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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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Jim18611865 wrote:

I just started with some new Fiocchi hulls. I like them so far.
Jim


Jim,

I too, have just purchased some new Fiocchi hulls to reload for my 16 guage. I already have Green Dot and Unique gun powder on the shelf for reloading my shells for my 12 guage. However, I don't have a good formula for the 16 yet. What combination of shot, wad and powder charge are you using?

Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
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Phil,

What weight shot are you loading?
I used 1 oz in my first batch of Fiocchis.
Fio 616 primer, 18 gns. Green Dot and a SG-16 wad.
I would load the same with 19-20 gns. Unique.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting back onto the 16ga. Which hulls to collect?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:27 am 
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I was buying Herter's 16 gauge shells and reusing the hulls when on sale. They used to have 1 oz #6 loads. Haven't ordered any in some time, but back then the hulls were Cheddite. Easy to reload.



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