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 Post subject: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:01 pm 
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So, I am going to upgrade from my current MEC 650N to either a Ponsness Warren 850 Plus or a Spolar Gold Premier.

Feel free to comment on the merits of each machine but here is my question:

I have seen demos of both of these machines were the reloader was using different hulls with the same load data. I thought load data was specific. Mixing and matching components was a no-no unless there was a specific "recipe" for the components.

If you care to fast forward to the progressive stage (40:00 min mark) of this Spolar factory video, the lovely young lady is mixing Winchester and Remington hulls. She even states "I am going to use a variety of shells". I also saw another video of a guy doing the same thing on a PW 800 Plus.

What gives?

https://youtu.be/W-hxkkZsEJU




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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:53 pm 
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Location: Eastern Kentucky
look up some reloading data on rem and win hulls and you will find that there are book loads for both using the same shot, powder, wad, primer combination. They may not be the best load for either load but they will load in both the rem and the win hull.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:16 pm 
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kyskeet wrote:
look up some reloading data on rem and win hulls and you will find that there are book loads for both using the same shot, powder, wad, primer combination. They may not be the best load for either load but they will load in both the rem and the win hull.

Yes, it looks like there are some "windows" you could be in for different hulls and still be "legal".

I don't ever see a reason for doing this.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:02 am 
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Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 3:07 pm
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Location: Georgia
I load Winchester AA and Remington STS and Gun Clubs on my P-W 800 with no adjustment regularly.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:02 am 
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riflegunbuilder wrote:
I load Winchester AA and Remington STS and Gun Clubs on my P-W 800 with no adjustment regularly.

What is your recipe?


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:48 am 
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Check out 18 grains of Red Dot/Promo in any Rem/Fed/Win hull with 1 ounce or 1 1/8 ounce of shot, any primer, and a WAA or WAASL wad.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:02 am 
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My next Shotgun Press will be a Spolar

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:21 am 
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rkittine wrote:
My next Shotgun Press will be a Spolar

I am leaning that way too. I don't like the fact that I am going to have go cut a hole in my bench to catch loaded shells below deck. Other than that, It looks very solid. Consistency is important to me and I believe that Spolar's vibratory settling system will ensure loads are thrown constantly and primers feed continuously.

But, I am still not sure it is worth more than 2 times that of the Ponsness Warren. Why would you chose Spolar over PW?

Hard to make these decisions without being able to test drive the machines.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:39 am 
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Does Woollymonster reload to save money?


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:00 am 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
Does Woollymonster reload to save money?


Well, not so much. However, I do think that I can reload premium shells cheaper than I can buy them.

The other problem is availability. It is tough to get any kind of shotgun ammo in my area at the moment, much less, anything premium.

I enjoy enjoy reloading and as long as I can keep components on hand, I can always support my 150-500 round per week habit.

I did find 200 rounds of Win AA at Walmart a couple of days ago. It was the last 200 they had. At 32 cents per round, I can reload for less and, those gray Win AA hulls are great for reloading. They did have a few scattered boxes of STS but, at over 40 cents per round, I passed.

I was loading very cheap for a while because I had tons of components on had from years ago. But I have since run out of lead shot. As you know, lead is very expensive now. That alone is killing me.

But, back to the machines, those two are heirlooms that will be passed down in my family for generations. I doubt you could ever save enough money reloading to pay for either one.

Woolly


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:05 pm 
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Heirlooms? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your kids want the most expensive, with all the gauges, powder/shot alarms, counter, hull feeder, wad feeder, muffler, teak workbench with little mahogany cup holders.
Let’s do it for our love ones. Of course, years will be needed to tweek the unit to perfection.
Many hull must be loaded. Love has no boundaries.
H


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:47 pm 
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HenryPeter wrote:
Heirlooms? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your kids want the most expensive, with all the gauges, powder/shot alarms, counter, hull feeder, wad feeder, muffler, teak workbench with little mahogany cup holders.
Let’s do it for our love ones. Of course, years will be needed to tweek the unit to perfection.
Many hull must be loaded. Love has no boundaries.
H

You obviously don't know a damn thing about these machines do you Mr. Sour Grapes?

Why is there always some butt troll that has to ruin every thread?


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:41 pm 
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Me so sorry.....
Please accept my most sincere apology.
H


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:45 pm 
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HenryPeter wrote:
Me so sorry.....
Please accept my most sincere apology.
H

Accepted!


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:49 pm 
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Woollymonster wrote:
I doubt you could ever save enough money reloading to pay for either one.

Woolly


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:31 pm 
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Location: Central NH
I have an 800 plus that I bought used, and really like it. It took me a while to get adjusted to it. I had a few crashes, and made some junk before I figured things out, but now things are smooth sailing.

I think you'd be fine with the 800.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:36 pm 
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Either will serve you well. No question the Spolar is the cadillac of the reloading world.

I load on an updated PW 900, and a PW 800+, I have several friends with Spolars. Either will crank out as much ammo as you care to load. I suspect Spolars customer service probably outclasses PW, but then I've never had the need to contact PW with a problem either.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:23 pm 
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I don't load on any of the machines discussed in this thread, but if I'd had the budget and had been aware of them, I would have gone for the Gold.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:28 am 
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Woollymonster, you going to need some mental help if you get so easily offended. HP wrote a humorous reply and you get bent out of shape. Maybe you owe him an apology.
Cut a hole in your bench ? I've got six reloaders set on my two benches and there are holes drilled everywhere for mounting different machines over the years. Also holes cut for shells and primers to drop through. I look at my benches as work tools, not some place to eat dinner.
Sorry if I'm sounding a little offensive, but if you're around here [ or on the other forums on this website ] you'll fine things get a little, shall I say, " testy ' at times. Don't let your feathers get ruffled so easily. Have a good day. Paul

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrading Reloading Press - Questions
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:05 am 
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Just a couple of ‘Field Grades’ duking it out.
Woolly sent me a PM and we {hs#. I’m learning everything is serious unless a ‘LOL’ is posted.
Damn...................so much material here.
All good.
H


LOL




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