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 Post subject: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:10 am 
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I have 3in AAHS and 3in AACF hulls. I have 2400 and H110. I have the claybuster red 410 AA replacement wads, W209 primers. Loads I have found are for AACF not AAHS in Lymans Shotshell manual. Hodgdon lists 5/8oz loads are there any heavier loads listed elsewhere.

What loads can you suggest? I have grandsons that want to shoot waterfowl! 410 steel shot is unobtanium in this area.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:02 am 
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We used to get factory Super-X and Peters 3/4 oz .410 shells, like 60 years ago. There is some 11/16 oz load data around but I can’t remember the last time I saw any 3/4 oz .410 load data. Second thought, I just looked in my 50 year old .410 Lee Loader box and there were 2, 3/4 oz loads. It was with both IMR and H-4227, didn’t say which hull, but I’m betting it would have had to been Federal plastic hulls, and with paper nitro card and if room a tiny fiber wad. Just use the 11/16 load data and be happy with it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 pm 
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The Lyman loads are good. Bismuth is less dense than lead so 5/8 takes up as much space as 11/16. Have not seen any data.for heavier charges. I have taken ducks cleanly to 25 yards with the 2 1/2" 7 /16 oz of #6 bismuth. Just have to make closer shots and choke at least mod. Fun loads to shoot. No recoil.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:18 pm 
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Bull Nutria,
Waterfowl with a 410 is bard and iffy, unless you use hi density shot. There is a whole group of us posting talk about 410 for waterfowl, patterns, pics, pellet counts, yardages, etc, over 28ga society dot com. In the 410 section.

My buddy just got back from a week of duck hunting with 410 and 28ga, and posted results every day. After 3 yrs hunting with 410 and patterning rtc, he is set on 4/8oz tss 9s to 10s, underneath 1/8oz 4 or 5 steel. In a 3in fiocchi or cheddite I think. The steel on top is needed to spread the tss pattern so you dont get a turkey pattern.

Another friend DagSwane has been posting pics all month of geese he is taking with 410, over at refuge forums and 28ga society too. He took one today with bismuth 5s in 410.

The limiting factor is getting 410tps wads for heavyweight shot. From bpi, out of stock now.
You can use regular wads for bismuth. But your wad is for half oz lead in 2.5in hull. The hodgdon recipe says 5/8, but there are bigger wads. There is a wad at BPI called 410 stretch, and also a 410max, allow 11/16oz loads. Bpi has data for some.
They have pubbed data for hw15#7 in 410, 5/8oz at 1200fps. That is 136 pellets that will kill ducks and geese 50 to 6p yds, further than you have enough pellets.for ducks.

Basically you need tps410 wads unless u use bismuth.
Giving a kid a 410 for ducks, unless.tbey are in the decoys close, and unless you load up something decent, could be enough to make them quit hunting lol... steel 5s go to 25yds maybe, and again u need that wad.

I'm working on 410 myself for ducks, so it is doable, but a bit of work!
Good luck
Dave


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:50 pm 
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The "stretch" wad actually holds less shot than the regular wads due to it's cushion section. I have them and tried them. If you want to protect the shot above the cup use a thin Mylar wrap. This will not protect from the hard non tix pellets, only the TPS wad will do that and as Dave posted, they are out of stock at present. I personally like steel #5's. You get 91 pellets in the load but you need the TPS wad.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:25 pm 
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Flyndutchman, great to know on that wad...wont buy them. I might get that 410max for bismuth though.
So youre doing the steel 5 in 410 hey? Lots of proponents of 5s at the refuge forums now, I haven't tried them yet. Your fav load was that 3/4oz 20ga steel, light but still a lot more pellets than the 3/8oz 410! I'm trying to make some loading decisions on 410 here...but don't have any 410tps wads. So will probably just do 28ga . But I'm interested in any comments you have on 410 steel. I don't see enough ducks close to risk it I expect...


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch 410 bismuth loads
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:41 pm 
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This duck season almost isn't. Ten or eleven birds to date. No weather. The 3/4 oz of 3's in 20 ga still working. Still disappointed that the PT 2090's fall apart. The CSD's don't pattern as good. I ended up with 3 bags of TPS 410 wads due to a shipping error several years ago. Glad I got them now. 300 MP is a great powder for 3" loads. I use Tjen's load with lead. It is tested load and works great. Thanks to him for testing and sharing the data. I have used it with bismuth but will not recommend since it is not tested. Would be a good load to have tested. Use BPI's data for steel loads with LilGun.




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