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 Post subject: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:29 pm 
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hi fellas
im seriously considering getting a .410. if i do i will reload the shells but i’ve no clue as to primers wads powder etcetera to use. looking for some guidance here as to whether its feasible to get into this. i have shot, and a 1/2
jug of american select and full 8# jug of 700x.
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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:32 pm 
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In 28 and 410, the preferred hulls are the Winchester AA HS. Hodgdon and Alliant will have data.

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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:35 pm 
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AAHS hull
W296 powder
win 209 primer
Claybuster HS wad.

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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:42 pm 
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^^^^ What Steve said.

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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:03 am 
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plus 2 for what steve said


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:31 am 
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YevetS wrote:
AAHS hull
W296 powder
win 209 primer
Claybuster HS wad.

Steve


Win 296, and Hodgdon H110 are the same powder, hence St marks 296.
So when shopping for powder, and since these two powders are the same, buy the one that is lower priced.

If you can not find Win 296, or H110, then 300-mp will work just as well. You will be loading the shells at 1300fps+ speeds, to keep the shot pattern from hot spot centering.
To add here, Factory win 410 AA ammo is loaded to 1300fps, while Rem STS 410 ammo is loading to 1350fps, although both have 1200fps list on the box.

There are other powders that can be used for 410 load, but since they have a faster burn rate, tend to not only burn up the hulls faster in regards to hull reloadablity life, but due to being faster burning powders, will be hard pressed to get the load up to 1300fps without going over pressure instead.

So with 296/H110, or 300mp, easy to load to 1300+fps, while still having the HS hulls last for 10 reloads or more.


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:41 am 
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410 is my least favorite gauge to load... components seem scarce, hulls don’t last as well, the loads are persnickety, and they wobble in a MEC enough to fling shot everywhere.

On the other hand, since you said sub-gauge :)

28 gauge is my absolute favorite to load and shoot. Easy to load on any equipment, less critical load combinations, reasonable availability of components even during the pandemic, but most importantly it breaks clays and kills birds way better than it should based on the numbers.


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:59 am 
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Terrapin wrote:
410 is my least favorite gauge to load... , and they wobble in a MEC enough to fling shot everywhere.


Buy one of these, they can be found on EBay for both 410 and 28. They work on all MEC progressives. I own one for my 410 and load on a 9000 powered by an AutoMate. NO wobble.

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Now I will say this might not be for everybody because your primer feeder has to be adjusted to exactly drop the primer into the hole between the "side walls" on the carrier or bad things will happen. Its not hard or impossible to do, it just takes time and patience.
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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:07 pm 
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One might ask what you intend to use a .410 for? Beyond rodent and snake control I don't see a practical use for one. But that's just my humble opinion...


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:09 pm 
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Rick Lewis wrote:
One might ask what you intend to use a .410 for? Beyond rodent and snake control I don't see a practical use for one. But that's just my humble opinion...


Registered sporting clays or skeet to name two.

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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:12 pm 
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Rick Lewis wrote:
One might ask what you intend to use a .410 for? Beyond rodent and snake control I don't see a practical use for one. But that's just my humble opinion...


A couple of years ago, I took my .410 CZ Ringneck that I had Briley install choke tubes in, down to Alabama for a quail hunt on a preserve. I used Winchester 3" ammo with 11/16 oz #7 1/2 shot with the IC/Mod chokes and was quite pleased with the performance on pen raised quail. A couple of my buddies tried it also and enjoyed the experience, and yes we all killed birds just like with the larger gauges.

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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:57 pm 
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I always said loading .410 looked like it would be like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. I bought a gun that had all the tubes and was shooting a lot of 28ga and wanted to change things up. I found a MEC9000 here that had the extra tall shell plate shown in this thread and, with a little fiddling, got the press running as smoothly as my other Mecs.

I loaded and shot 2800 shells worth of skeet with very few issues before I ran out of powder and now I’m back to 28ga until the insanity ends.

H110
Claybuster wads
AA HS hulls
Cheddite primers
1/2oz #9 shot


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm 
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thanks for the info folks!


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 Post subject: Re: looking to get a sub gauge
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:51 am 
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As long as 410 AAHS hulls continue selling for $.20 to $.25 each on GunBroker, I plan to stop reloading 410 as soon as I burn up the current hulls I have.

After selling the hulls I will be shooting factory AA shells for around $5 per box; or around $3 per box with the $2 rebate.




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