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 Post subject: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:38 am 
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A friend is going to starting to load 12 gauge 1 1/8 loads in AA12 hulls may be 1ounce too. What are some of the best powders for stack up when using the correct CB wad for each load? When powder was every where I helped a different guy load WST with all win components for 1 1/8 ounce and that fit great. He only wanted 100% Win components. Now what you can find is first as lone as it works/fits.




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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:01 pm 
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I like Unique for 12ga 1.125oz loads. Its bulky and fills the hull nicely.


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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:20 pm 
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Titewad is a dense powder that will work for 1 1/8 oz. and lighter loads in the 12 gauge.

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:29 pm 
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Winchester Super Handicap is about as dense as it gets. Great performer as well. Great powder for WWAAHS hulls in 12 gauge. Not cheap though.

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:50 pm 
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Two powders that my "seller" has mentioned seemed easier to get during last shortage were Titewad, and 700x.


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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:17 pm 
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Titegroup is also very dense


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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:40 pm 
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Another one worth mentioning is Hodgdon HS-6. It’s the same ball powder as the old Win 540. It’s very dense and works best in heavier loads but I’m sure that there are recipes for 1 1/8 oz

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 pm 
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The Win ball powders, WSF and WSH, are OEM powders for those hulls. Titewad and Nitro 100NF are very dense as well. Agree on Titegroup (at one time, the OEM powder for the Rem Nitro 27 load). All of these dense powders are made at the same plant, St. Marks, Florida.

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:33 pm 
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And the powder the OP mentioned is also a medium dense Winchester powder - WST. Makes wonderful ounce and ounce and eighth 12 gauge lead shot target loads.

BUT - no powder is "head and shoulders" better at always making a suitable stack height. When you need less stack height, either use a denser powder (or less weight), or a shorter wad. There is no universally correct wad either. But when you combine power and wad, you find real quickly if they match up to fill the hull. A finished stack with shot in it should come up to the "fold ring" of the crimp on factory once fired hulls.

Ramshot Competition is also dense, suitable for small volume hulls.

A dense powder is made to work easiest in the small volume target hulls. Right now, there are two major brands of those - Winchester AA HS, and all the Remington one-piece hulls (STS, Nitro, Gun Club, Clay and Field).

Any Federal and the European hulls have a larger internal volume and often need a conventional low-density powder (such as the Alliant Dot family).

To find what powder works well for a given load and wad, look at the published loading data. That will give you MUCH more information about exactly what combinations work well. I especially like the Hodgdon data because if provides loads with a variety of primers and powders, not just the primer made by the hull manufacturer. And it's more current than the Lyman Shotshell handbook data (which is about 12 years old).

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:03 am 
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+1 for Titegroup, and Hodgdon has some loads listing all Win. components for 1-1/8 oz. loads


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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:47 pm 
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1oz an 7/8 oz I use Titewad with CB clones. I think most powders work. Clones are a bit shorter than AA's. AA's are designed around ball powders.

20g is a bit more particular. My 3/4 oz and 7/8 oz loadings with CB clones for International or Green Dot are severely dished with Win SHC.

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 Post subject: Re: Dense powders for 12ga
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:00 pm 
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tjen wrote:
A friend is going to starting to load 12 gauge 1 1/8 loads in AA12 hulls may be 1ounce too. What are some of the best powders for stack up when using the correct CB wad for each load? When powder was every where I helped a different guy load WST with all win components for 1 1/8 ounce and that fit great. He only wanted 100% Win components. Now what you can find is first as lone as it works/fits.


Any. You really can't screw that wad/hull combination up unless you try.



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