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 Post subject: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm 
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Not very many loads with data for sts primer in anything but Remington hulls. What are they close too? I found 1000 of them in the basement and I’m running out of win209, ched209 and fed209a. Any help? Thanks in advance?




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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:54 pm 
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They are generally regarded as being one of the coolest primers.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:36 pm 
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Not very many loads with data for sts primer in anything but Remington hulls. What are they close too? I found 1000 of them in the basement and I’m running out of win209, ched209 and fed209a. Any help? Thanks in advance?
Jta5er-
Just for background info about your question, I decided to try to quantify what you might mean by "not very many loads".

To avoid picking data that might have a bias in favor of the Remington hulls that you mentioned, I selected 12-ga Win AA&HS hulls for my sample. I went to Hodgdon's online Loading Data Center and specified loads using 700-X powder with 1-1/8 oz of lead shot.

Here are the primers that are listed with this combination of components-

Fed. 209A: 18 loads (5 wad types)
Fio. 617: 10 loads (3 wad types
Rem. 209P: 20 loads (5 wad types
Rio G-1000: 10 loads (3 wad types)
Win. 209: 18 loads (5 wad types)

From this haphazardly selected sample, it does not appear that there is a shortage of Rem primer data. There are more recipes for Rem primers than other primer types.

Probably it would help us to help you if we knew what components you're trying to use for what gauge(s).

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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:48 pm 
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I am loading mostly cheditte in 16ga and a few 12ga ched and Rios.
I use lots of green dot, universal and international.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:20 pm 
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I'm guessing you started with the Green Dot and were looking at Alliant data. You will find more loads using Rem primers in hulls other than Rem in the International and Universal data on the Hodgdon website.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:31 pm 
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Looks like sts209s and universal not a good combination from what I see on Hodgdons?
But looking at faster powders, f616 and cci209s look very similar to sts209?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:06 pm 
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f616 and cci209s look very similar (performance wise) to sts209


That's probably a safe guess, since the STS primers are cooler/weaker and would be a fairly safe substitution in medium pressure (target) loads.

If you are extremely concerned, load ten or so shells and sent them off for pressure testing. That will cost you about the (normal) price of about 500 of those STS primers. :roll:

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Not very many loads with data for sts primer in anything but Remington hulls.

That is because you are looking at Alliant data. They tend to test mostly the same manufacturer's hull and primer together, to reduce the number of combinations that they have to test. So, they put Rem 209s in Rem STS hulls for their ballistics tests of loading data.

good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:21 pm 
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Jta5er wrote:
Looks like sts209s and universal not a good combination from what I see on Hodgdons?
But looking at faster powders, f616 and cci209s look very similar to sts209?
Those of us who are looking at this probably are wondering just exactly what it is you are trying to load.; Hull type, shot charge, speed goal, other details???

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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:22 pm 
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I load for 2 1/2 16ga and 12ga. I use 2 3/4 data and roll crimp. I have decent loads with green dot and international 7/8 oz. but use n209 and ched 209s ran out.
I will use fed gm data for Rio 12ga hulls with r209sts. But don’t know about subbing a sts for a n209?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington sts209 primer
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:14 pm 
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Jta5er,

Forget all the nit-picking stuff about swapping primers. CCI209 and Remington 209PSTS are not similar primers BUT they do give you similar results when using typical 12 gauge target powders. I wouldn't hesitate with that swap using 12 ga. 7/8 oz. target loads and using International and Green Dot.

16 gauge data?....good luck finding data using Remington primers. If you can find data using Universal and CCI 209's I would try it. IF the data is for a 1 oz. load with a chamber pressure of at least 9,000 PSI and a velocity of 1225 FPS or higher, it probably will be just fine. Might not be great at 20 degrees, you have to try it. Universal isn't all that tough ignite. Like any powder the more you make it work, the better it performs. In other words, if you are looking for 'gentle' sub-gauge loads, Universal isn't the powder you want.



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