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 Post subject: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:02 pm 
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Got some dusty shot from my brother,is it safe to use ? Is there any way of cleaning it?




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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:26 pm 
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It has probably oxidized, which it isn't good to breath that stuff in.

You could possibly regraphite it, but I have melted such shot down to make sinkers.


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:35 pm 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
It has probably oxidized, which it isn't good to breath that stuff in.

You could possibly regraphite it, but I have melted such shot down to make sinkers.

I here yea on oxidation,Can I wash it then load it? Get rid of the dust? Maybe were a mask ?Just asking ?


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:04 pm 
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Possibly, I have heard of guys washing with a water vinegar mix, then coat with graphite again.

Always seemed like way to much trouble to me so I have never tried it.

Some guys will load it like it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:56 am 
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Dusty white, or dust Black?

Black is just extra graphite on the shot, and not the end of the world.

White is the shot has oxidized, and really don't want to be breathing that dust; neither reloading it, nor shooting it into the wind.

There is always wet tumbling it, so the oxidation can be removed as a slurry to keep it from going air born, drying it out, and re-graphite it, but is going to be a mess and a lot of work.

For say half a bag of shot, would just re-smelt it to turn into some clean lead for casting again, while if a great deal of bags, then could make sense to get into the mess with a media tumbler or smooth bore concrete mizer to clean it up instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:35 am 
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I had a bag that had oxidized after getting wet on the cellar floor. I rinsed it in a 5-gal bucket, dried it in the sun on a piece of canvas, put it in a couple of plastic containers and added some graphite to it.
Shot is too hard to come by to throw it away!

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:21 am 
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Moffett wrote:
Got some dusty shot from my brother,is it safe to use ? Is there any way of cleaning it?


WD-40.

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:33 am 
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I have a spare brass tumbler. Half a bag of shot and some spray on graphite for 30 minutes shines it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:20 am 
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I have mixed 1 - 2 cups of that type shot into a bag of new and never looked back.

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:49 am 
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Probably oxidation. If it will feed through your reloader without bridging, just load it and shoot it. If it won't feed consistently, add a tiny bit of graphite powder. Most of your exposure to the dust will occur when pouring it out of the bag which you will also have to do when trying to clean it. Trying to clean it will really solve nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:59 am 
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Like already stated, if it is white dust on old shot that is lead oxide which is considered toxic to skin and breath.

Keep that old white shot wet to keep the dust down on it and out of your lungs. Luckily lead oxide dissolves in water and lead itself don't. Wash the shot in a bucket of soapy water (open the bag under water) spread out to dry, and mix in a bit of graphite.

Cleaning the oxidized shot will keep you from breathing in the dust when you dump it into your hopper and drop it.

I won't be having anymore kids so if the oxidized shot does not hang up in the drop tube I won't bother washing it. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:17 am 
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Dano523 wrote:
Dusty white, or dust Black?

Black is just extra graphite on the shot, and not the end of the world.

White is the shot has oxidized, and really don't want to be breathing that dust; neither reloading it, nor shooting it into the wind.

There is always wet tumbling it, so the oxidation can be removed as a slurry to keep it from going air born, drying it out, and re-graphite it, but is going to be a mess and a lot of work.

For say half a bag of shot, would just re-smelt it to turn into some clean lead for casting again, while if a great deal of bags, then could make sense to get into the mess with a media tumbler or smooth bore concrete mizer to clean it up instead.
Shot is gray looking,I have about seventy pounds in coffee cans


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:27 am 
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It's probably oxidation mixed with graphite. Try washing a cupful in soapy water.

Randy Wakeman is correct that WD-40 oil will keep the dust down but don't use too much if you try that. Any WD-40 getting into a primer will make for a misfire.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:27 am 
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Get a tube of the dry graphite used on locks etc. Put a bit in your coffee can and give a stir or two with a stick or screwdriver..... grey will turn to black, no dust, load and shoot..... Larry


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:02 am 
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Forgive my ignorance but what's the purpose of graphite in the shot?


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:49 am 
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Stuck-N-Kali wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but what's the purpose of graphite in the shot?


The graphite lubricates the shot so that it flows down your drop tube. It mostly isn't needed unless the shot hangs up. Then it is really needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:53 am 
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Hadn't thought about that but it makes sense.
Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:03 pm 
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Luckily lead oxide dissolves in water


Lead oxide is NOT soluble in water. If it is removed when you wash shot, it is being loosened from the surface of the shot as fine particles of oxide and suspended in the water. Only if you add a lot of muratic (weak hydrochloric) acid would you actually dissolve the lead oxide. A soapy water solution may help loosen that oxide, but it does not dissolve it. Either way, oxides removed from washing shot will go into whatever drain you pour the wash water. Certainly would not want to put it on your garden.

The fact that lead oxide is very insoluble in water is why shot on flat ground is not a major water pollution source. Oxides on shot form very quickly in the weather, sealing the lead in a tight light-gray coat. Neither the lead metal nor the lead oxide is water soluble, so both stay where they are. Until washed away by erosion. That oxidation is what has happened to many civil war bullets (soft lead, of course).

And because lead oxide is insoluble in water, it was used in paints that did not dissolve in rain or sea water.

So, best suggestion is don't "wash" oxide off of shot. If you need to add a little powdered graphite to the shot to make it flow in loaders, do that. If you remelt the shot, treat the dross that separates from the metal properly.

good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:24 pm 
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garrisonjoe wrote:
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Luckily lead oxide dissolves in water


Lead oxide is NOT soluble in water.


Right on, I was wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_oxide

The purpose of using water is to keep the dust out of the air. Stirring the shot is probably what removes the dust, and soap is a surfactant

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 Post subject: Re: Dusty shot?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:38 pm 
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Another option than WD40 is to apply a SMALL amount of dry spray lube to the dusty shot. Using a small bottle like an empty one pound powder bottle is ideal. Don't let the dust drift around indoors! Doing this outside if much safer. Put the lid on while mixing.

After the lube dries (it will go on wet) it will inhibit the dust if thoroughly mixed. It may be beneficial to add a small amount of graphite to assure good flow.




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