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 Post subject: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:14 pm 
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I have a couple of boxes of old stock Federal 209 primers in the red box. These are not the current Federal 209A primers available now. I normally use Winchester 209 primers but they are a bit hard to find now days. Does anyone here know if they are interchangeable with the Winchester primers? I would like to use them up on my skeet loads or trap practice loads but I don't want to raise pressures. My 12 ga. 3/4 oz. skeet loads are from Hodgdon and run 10,600 psi so I don't want to push the pressure up much.




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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:24 pm 
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The old Fed 209 primers are pretty similar in ballistic performance to the current Win 209. But, unless you give us a full component list of the load you are wanting to make, it's hard to check any old load data we might have access to, to get closer to a real answer. And because your existing load is a fairly warm one, I agree with your cautious approach.

So, you got more details?

good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:41 am 
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A buddy of mine gave me about 800 of them a few years ago. I used them interchangeably with Winchester 209 load data for hot 700x, 800x, and Longshot hunting loads, and never had an issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:49 am 
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My load is:

12 ga. Gun Club hull
17.0 grs. 700X powder
CB0175-12 wad
3/4 oz. of #9 shot
W209 primer

Hodgdon lists this load on their websight at 10,600 psi

I like my loads to be under 10,000 psi but over 9,000 psi but I am still ok with this load as is, I just don't want to be over the 11,500 psi max.


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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:34 pm 
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Treat those Federal 209 primers with no A as a WW209.

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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:56 pm 
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I just picked up 3000 of them from an estate sale for $15. Good information Curley!

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 Post subject: Re: Federal Red Box Primers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:25 pm 
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My thanks to all whom have posted and to Curley for the information about the Federal Red Box primers. I think I will load them just like they are a W209 and move on. Again thanks to all posters I really do appreciate you!

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