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 Post subject: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:30 pm 
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All of a sudden shot is getting hard to find. Two weeks ago I could buy all I wanted. Now there is nothing. Would assume that both Federal and Remington have their own shot towers. Anybody have any answers to the sudden shortage?



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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:37 pm 
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last I heard Federal was just buying their shot from Rio [MAXAM at about 3.5% antimony]

but yeah,,, after the last order the club started rationing shot to one bag a week per member.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 6:28 am 
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I bought a ton of 9s in December at around $36 per bag, haven't looked at availablity lately but I can imagine like all other components it's getting tight in supply.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:14 am 
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Rotometals has pushed their price up to $179.99 for two bags of Eagle Magnum shot shipped. West Coast Shot has recently increased the online price of a 25lb bag of magnum shot, any size to $75. Two bags shipped is $178.00. Most sizes are available.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:27 am 
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And the saga continues :!: :!: :!: :!: $178 shipped :!: :!: :!: that is $89 per bag, or for 1 ounce loads, or $5.56 per box to reload, just for the shot :!: :!: :!:



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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:33 am 
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cdb1097 wrote:
And the saga continues :!: :!: :!: :!: $178 shipped :!: :!: :!: that is $89 per bag, or for 1 ounce loads, or $5.56 per box to reload, just for the shot :!: :!: :!:



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Some outstanding questions; will it go up more, will it become (more) short in supply, will it ever come back down in price by a significant amount in the future? It seems the shooting sports is seeing the same kind of inflation as lumber and copper electrical wire.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:37 am 
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This makes no sense. Primers aren’t readily available and neither is powder. So why the sudden demand for shot? It’s of no use without the other components

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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:58 am 
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Local shop received a fresh shipment of West Coast shot this last week. They were at $50/bag which is about the same price they charged last year. Need to remember that Rotometals is adding shipping charges to their pricing. Shipping costs have gone up.

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This makes no sense. Primers aren’t readily available and neither is powder. So why the sudden demand for shot? It’s of no use without the other components


This component/ammo shortage has been spreading over the last year. I made a comment in February that reloaders need to "look into the curve" and stock up on shot. Currently I'm using about 8 pounds of shot every week and will continue to do so. Even bought a mix of crusty old ammo. Some was usable and some were dismantled for components.
I recovered the shot and hundreds of mixed primers that are already in new loads. Steer into the curve and keep shooting!

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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:13 am 
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Hal4son wrote:
Local shop received a fresh shipment of West Coast shot this last week. They were at $50/bag which is about the same price they charged last year. Need to remember that Rotometals is adding shipping charges to their pricing. Shipping costs have gone up.


West Coast is $178 shipped today for 2 bags on their website, essentially the same as Rotometals.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:30 am 
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Rotometals may be in a position to see futures type pricing on lead. Maybe they know something.

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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:36 am 
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The reason that West Coast and Rotometals are synched now on the price of shot - RotoMetals bought WC plant about 8 months ago.

good luck, garrisonjoe


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:39 am 
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http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical.html


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:51 am 
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browning66 wrote:
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical.html


Should have thought to look at that :) Does not seem to justify a 60% increase.

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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:53 am 
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When Rio was producing ammo in USA, where did they get their shot?

Where does Fiocchi get their shot for their USA production?

What is the status of Remington's shot production? Who now owns Remington's shot production facilities?


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:54 am 
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casonet wrote:
This makes no sense. Primers aren’t readily available and neither is powder. So why the sudden demand for shot? It’s of no use without the other components



A golden opportunity to INCREASE prices, and blame it on covid, or whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
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Hal4son wrote:
browning66 wrote:
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical.html


Should have thought to look at that :) Does not seem to justify a 60% increase.



Copper wire has more than doubled in price in the last year, I bought a 1,000 for roll of 14-2, and a 1,000 foot roll of 12-2 just before covid hit for less than $500 for both, bought the same thing just recently, and paid $985 for both.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 9:10 am 
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Building materials for homes have experienced major price increases. Around here homes sell in a couple days at above asking price. Post Covid pent up demand may be part of it. In the Austin, TX area companies are expanding like crazy. People need homes and apartments.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 9:49 am 
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Growth in India and China, plus growth of hybrid and electric powered cars has created a huge demand for batteries. Most lead is used for battery production.

Short-term there are probably disruptions to the supply of foreign shot to the USA. Furthermore, foreign shot does not enter the USA in a continuous flow, but arrives in lumps. We could be between lumps.

The business journals report a shortage of old batteries that feed the recycling process that provides most of the lead used in USA.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 10:02 am 
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The perfect storm; increased demand, supply chain disruption, labor shortage, government printing trillions of dollars out of thin air devaluing the dollar, stimulus money and enhanced unemployment putting fast unearned cash in many hands (demand-pull inflation), no smelting of lead in the US. I'll wager prices still have more room to go up from here.


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 Post subject: Re: Shot shortage
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:02 pm 
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Remington's shot production is at lonoke ARkansas plant which is where their shotshells are produced




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